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halo4man
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let the debate begin!!!

to start of how was the first cell created. Life cannot come from unliving things

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halo4man
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AND I DO KNOW HOW EVOLUTION WORKS Pants PLEASE stop assuming that

Your OP would seem to suggest otherwise.

how so?
wolf1991
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wolf if I sound illogical than you would easily be able to refute my staments


I did.
halo4man
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@ wolf how did you refute I only see a cross examination

Hypermnestra
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and I know God is real just as much as you know that reality isnt a illusion unless your high.....

You don't know God is real, you believe God is real. You believe God is real, you don't know that he is. Just saying.
wolf1991
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You've yet to prove anything to me. How does one refute what isn't there? You basically refute yourself. So again I am going to ask. WHERE IS MY PROOF?

halo4man
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@ wolf proof for what?

halo4man
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I am spread to thin here so I am going to kind of start Over

If there was proof of a God would that not refute Evolution

In the world today would it be ok to forcefully END all religion

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well than start Freak (enstien) lol
state your premise


In my first argument, in which there is no doubt in my mind you did not read:

[quote=I]if God did create life, when did he come in, using the same kinds of steps that I have provided for you? And if the chemical process needed to create life can happen on its own, why does he need to come in?[/quote]

My argument wholly provides all the steps to making life and how life has even gotten here by means of Evolution. Where does creation take place? Why must it be needed if life can occur solely by its own hand?
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In the world today would it be ok to forcefully END all religion


no. tried before somewhere in the past, EPIC FAIL. will never work unless... well only one solution :/.... kill all people who believe in a religion, and no i'm not biased.
halo4man
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@ freak I did read it but I had 5 Other questions to answer and you said that life was created by Evolution think how unliky it is for cyanide to.....Ugh I dont have time for this! refer to my other coment

Freakenstein
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Evolution think how unliky it is for cyanide to


or how unlikely it is for a planet to sustain life; one hell of a dice roll. That's okay. We had 4 billion years for this to take place.

Ugh I dont have time for this! refer to my other coment


Come on now... You have time for yours, but not mine? Very well. I answer yours, you answer mine.

If there was proof of a God would that not refute Evolution


If God truly exists, what isn't to say he also implements Evolution in His work? It would make sense after all, since life couldn't even begin to take form without change. I could also be a jerk and reverse the question around: if there was proof of Evolut---Oh wait! There is proof! Ain't that a hoot...

I'm going to ignore your second one. Reason being, we are not using religion into this discussion, but rather creation as a whole. All religions use beginnings, so they can all be put together into one union as we work on this.

So now that I have answered your questions, you now answer mine. We can go back and forth if you want.
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If there was proof of a God would that not refute Evolution


Not necessarily, conflicts emerge with individual creation stories being taken literally. For example the story in the Bible says all animals were created all at once. Evidence shows otherwise, we don't see all species existing all at once. What we see is a slow progression and diversification of species.

In the world today would it be ok to forcefully END all religion


No, it wouldn't work people have to come to those conclusions on there own. We can however point out flaws in their reasoning and provide factual evidence to help gauge reality. However indoctrination can be a difficult things to break away from. So even when presented with how their logic is faulty and evidence it's still often denied.

But what does this have to do with evolution vs creation?
Hypermnestra
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Oh wow. Okay. Well, here's some flaws in the Bible.
There's also the Nazirites. Let's start with the Nazirites, Samson in particular. If I'm not mistaken, the Bible claims that Nazirites or Nazarites are people especially consecrated to God, correct? And because of this, they never cut their hair and are forbidden to drink wine. However due to this they are super-strong. In the case of Samson, he lost his superpowers because his hair got cut. Care to explain how superpowers exist and why drinking wine/getting hair cut has anything to do with it? If God can do it, why doesn't he do it any more?
There's also Noah's Ark. Noah packed all the creatures into this ark, right? But how did he get them? I mean, wherever this was happening, he can't have gotten animals from all around the world and build a boat large enough to house them, all at the same time. On the other theory, if God helped get the animals to him, why didn't he help Noah build the ark? To test Noah? Then why did he help him get the animals? Do you see what I mean?
Those are just a few of the flaws in the Bible.
I have removed the "stick figuer" videos, as you said you respond badly to them, and I have listed the contradictions put in the videos, complete with links to a Christian site. That way you can respond to them, right? =D
How long does God's anger last(the contradictions).
1. Forever(Jeremiah 17:4).
2. Not forever(Micah 7:18).
Does God tempt you(the contradictions)
1. Yes(Genesis 22:1).
2. No(James 1:13)
These are just two of the contradictions presented in the video. Please respond to them, and what I have mentioned above(Nazirites and Noah's Ark)and we can move on to other things.

halo4man
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FINE FREAK If their was A God then the Bible would be True therefor using the law of syllogism Evolution could not be used by GOD because if you read the bible you would see that he didnt use EVO he created man with his own hands and yes I know that sounds off but the bible isnt all about creation. and the proof (if you could call it that) was twisted by scientist who want to say that were just glorified monkeys who do nothing but have sex. give me absolut proof that EVO is real and dont ask if There is absolute proof God is real because there is in the bible but I really dont want to have another 5 people jump on that banwagon arnt there any people in my favor?

wolf1991
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If their was A God then the Bible would be True


Just because god is real doesn't neccisarily mean that it would ve the christian god, or that humans would have it right.
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