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samy
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Social Justice? Check
Helping the Poor? Check
Rendering what is Ceaser's to Ceaser? Check
Disdain for the wealthy? Check
Pacifist? Check
Feminist? Check
Dislike of idiotic yelling Mormons? Check

Conservative Christianity is not only ignorant it;s simply wrong. The New Testament is clearly left winged and it's about the messiah, come on Christian America use your brains.

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BenTheBozer
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Jesus was a communist! But the catholic church will deny this till the day we all die.

Paradoxymoron
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To label Jesus politically is missing the point. Jesus' teachings are to do with spiritual individual enlightenment. In fact one of the Romans feared him so much (and thus later adopted Christianity as its official religion) was its appeal to the masses. What would be better to say is that liberalism and socialism contain tenets which were profoundly influenced by his teachings from the New testament, not the other way round.

gaboloth
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i agree, Benthebozer! beh maybe socialist, but i agree.

grimml
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I found two interesting links:

Christian anarchism and Christian communism

--> Why don't we just say that he was an anarchocommunist

holt24
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About Jesus being a socialist or even a communist I don't remember Jesus making us give our money to the community. He used several parables which included people who were rich or owned land and had servants. I don't remember that having anything to do with communism.

MRWalker82
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No he is not... these are the type of christians that god strongly says are fake and will burn in hell. >


Yep, and also the ones who disobey God and his commandments as well as those laid down by Jesus. So let me ask this: When was the last time you removed a body part that made you sin? When was the last time you loved your enemy? When was the last time you sold all of your belongings and gave it all to charity? Oh, you haven't done those things? Well, then according to the bible you aren't a Christian and you will go to hell.
samy
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Fine, be stingy.


I will sir.

First off, don't base politics off of Jesus. Regardless if Jesus was liberal or not, he did not promote a liberal government, he merely promoted people to do things that you associate with liberals.


To label Jesus politically is missing the point. Jesus' teachings are to do with spiritual individual enlightenment. In fact one of the Romans feared him so much (and thus later adopted Christianity as its official religion) was its appeal to the masses. What would be better to say is that liberalism and socialism contain tenets which were profoundly influenced by his teachings from the New testament, not the other way round.


I completely agree with both of these statements; however, by observing Jesus's views on issues and comparing them to todays political spectrum I feel that it can be determined he was a liberal. As paradox pointed out though many liberal philosophies can be traced back to the New Testament.

Social Justice? He preached equality, so you assume this makes him a liberal? I guess liberals are the only people who believe in equality.


Everyone believes in equality, or at least everyone should. No the difference is that Jesus preached an active way to create an equal society which I generally see pursued more by liberals than conservatives. Also as a side note I don't consider Jesus to be a democrat nor do I believe anyone has the right to say which specific policies he would approve or not approve of. I simply hold the belief that he was a little left leaning.

Pardon me, but he never actually helped the poor with their poor problems. He cured blind and sick people who were poor, but he never actually fixed the whole poor issue.


Fixing the whole poor issue would have required miracles eh? No he simply told his followers to help the poor, multiple time. Also healing someone of blindness would be a big step in making them more economically secure.

In fact, Jesus told people to sell all their possessions. Jesus was telling people to become poor! What kind of an ******* would tell someone they must be poor to go into heaven? I thought heaven was a place that judged you on your sins, not how rich you were.


To be one with God, according to the New Testament, you have to die to yourself which involves not being materialistic so that nothing stands in your way of serving Him. There's a difference between voluntary and involuntary poverty.


What is up with you and everyone here who thinks having money makes you a bad person? You're all just a bunch of hippies.



Not inherently, sorry I should have said disdain for greedy mofos. A certain temple incident comes to mind when he chased out vendors who were screwing over people who came to pray.

GET A JOB.


I'm trying, it's just hard to find one =P

ROFL. Look Jesus was a pacifist and look what happened to him! He was nailed to a piece of wood.


But, he accomplished his goal thus proving that words and dedication are just as good as bullets and death. I would argue his impact has been greater than any war.

You don't have to be liberal to be feminist. You can be conservative as well.


Right, it's generally associated with liberalism though. Still you bring up a good point about political ambiguousness which allows me to make a statement such as Jesus was a Liberal due to interpretation of some of his actions and words.

I see what you did there.


Half my goal was accomplished. Yes!

So what if Jesus was for helping poor people. All this means is he was pro charity.


Or a welfare state, early Christians lived in socialist societies among themselves.

By the way in case your going to be an idiot and say because he was pro charity he was a liberal the link i showed proved that liberals give less to charity than other people.


Whoa now new kid don't call me an idiot or tell me what I'm going to say you haven't earned that right yet. I never disagreed that conservatives give more to charity but my arguments wasn't about charity but a welfare state.

About Jesus being a socialist or even a communist I don't remember Jesus making us give our money to the community.


As i said the early church lived in socialism. In fact I'd challenge you to find an anti-socialist sentiment from Jesus.

He used several parables which included people who were rich or owned land and had servants.


Yeah..?
XXAlienGirlXX
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Samy, your acting like you actually met Jesus when that is not the case.

samy
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Samy, your acting like you actually met Jesus when that is not the case.


First of all I'd still like to be shown where it says I'm going to hell for thinking Jesus was a liberal. Second, what?
MRWalker82
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I talk to Jesus every day. He comes by and trims the bushes and keeps the yard looking lovely. He's a nice guy and his wife makes the best tamales EVAR!

Seriously though, none of you have met Jesus, and the little that we have about him in the bible was written, at the earliest, nearly 25 years AFTER HE DIED (if that story is accurate, or if he even lived at all) so making ANY judgments or assertions about him, his beliefs, or his actions is asinine.

How much will you remember about this conversation 25 years from now? How accurate is that going to be? Exactly, not accurate at all.

XXAlienGirlXX
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Yep, and also the ones who disobey God and his commandments as well as those laid down by Jesus. So let me ask this: When was the last time you removed a body part that made you sin? When was the last time you loved your enemy? When was the last time you sold all of your belongings and gave it all to charity? Oh, you haven't done those things? Well, then according to the bible you aren't a Christian and you will go to hell.


People are not perfect and they sin and god knows that, and you should not be actiing like you know the bible by heart when you dont. The bible says nothing about giving to charity and you wont go to hell if you never donate to any charity. The bible also says ask and it will be given.
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Or a welfare state, early Christians lived in socialist societies among themselves.


Wrong. They gave to the Christian community with their own free will a government didn't make them.

Whoa now new kid don't call me an idiot or tell me what I'm going to say you haven't earned that right yet. I never disagreed that conservatives give more to charity but my arguments wasn't about charity but a welfare state.


I think you took that the wrong way I wasn't calling you an idiot speccificly but people are makin to big of a jump to say that because Jesus told people to give to charities he was a liberal. Sure many people associate liberals with charitie but this example can not be used to say he was a liberal because beleiving in somethin someone else beleives in toomean that it is only your beleif even if most people associate you with it. and by the way how do I earn the right.
As i said the early church lived in socialism. In fact I'd challenge you to find an anti-socialist sentiment from Jesus.


Umm how about I challenge you to find somewhere in the Bible where Jesus was for making people give their money to the community. Remember the word MAKE.

He used several parables which included people who were rich or owned land and had servants.
Yeah..?


By that I am saying obviously Jesus was not a soccialist as he rarely spoke against the rich in his parables. alot of them were how the rich people punished their wicked servants. Let's see rich people and servants? I thought socialists beleived that everyone should get the same amount of money.
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so making ANY judgments or assertions about him, his beliefs, or his actions is asinine.


But I'll give it a good run anyway since so many people are offering up the counter claim that he was conservative, if the opposition is there you may as well face it.
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First of all I'd still like to be shown where it says I'm going to hell for thinking Jesus was a liberal. Second, what?


Samy Im not saying your going to hell for calling Jesus a liberal, but your simply making too many &quotredictions" and off the top of your head statements saying that you actually met the man.
holt24
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How much will you remember about this conversation 25 years from now? How accurate is that going to be? Exactly, not accurate at all.


Bad argument. The people who lived in the time of Jesus had a very Oral tradition and many young kids who were being tought the law could be expected to memorize alot of the old testiment. It would have been no problem for them to remmember what Jesus did.
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