Social Justice? Check Helping the Poor? Check Rendering what is Ceaser's to Ceaser? Check Disdain for the wealthy? Check Pacifist? Check Feminist? Check Dislike of idiotic yelling Mormons? Check
Conservative Christianity is not only ignorant it;s simply wrong. The New Testament is clearly left winged and it's about the messiah, come on Christian America use your brains.
However, Holt, Einsteins argument also disproves the tripartate deity worshiped by Christians, Jews, and Muslims. You see, if evil is an absence of God then God is not omnipresent.
I didn't make that post and am not in any situation to defend it. Plus this is about Jesus being liberal not God being omnipresent.
Well for a long time and when the new testemint was being written Christians were tortured and killed so why would you want to lie about that if you would be killed.
It's the power over belief. These people were made to believe that they would have an eternal paradise if only they followed a few simple rules. Sure, they may be ostracized, tortured, murdered, or mistreated in this life, but what is 20 years or so when faced with eternity.
The fundamentalist Muslims rely on this same power when convincing people to become suicide bombers by making them believe that they will get an eternity in paradise with 72 virgins to do their bidding if only they fill their car with explosives and drive into a police station.
It's the power over belief. These people were made to believe that they would have an eternal paradise if only they followed a few simple rules. Sure, they may be ostracized, tortured, murdered, or mistreated in this life, but what is 20 years or so when faced with eternity.
Sure that would be a good motivator but we are talking about them lying about what Jesus did. If they were being made to beleive these things then who made them lie about Jesus. If they are going to lie about what Jesus did then they would know that them going to heaven would also be a lie.
I didn't make that post and am not in any situation to defend it. Plus this is about Jesus being liberal not God being omnipresent.
Sorry, beer goggles made me misread. However this post, being about Jesus, is about everything else in the bible by default. If we are to make any assertions about Jesus then they come from the bible and in order to admit that the bible is an authoritative voice regarding a divine being, Jesus, then it must be authoritative on all other matters it discusses or all matters which it discusses become suspect and open to criticism.
The simple fact is that the bible, in every area which deals with observable and/or testable situations has been definitively proven wrong. Due to that fact it is highly suspect in every area it covers. Not to mention that none of what is in there can be independently corroborated even though the society at the time kept detailed records of major events.
Sure that would be a good motivator but we are talking about them lying about what Jesus did.
Yes, and if they were honest about it then why didn't they write it down when it happened? They had the ability, the society of the time, the eastern Roman society, kept great and detailed records of events, yet these disciples who supposedly followed Jesus around didn't bother to write a thing until 25-90 years after the crucifixion was purported to have taken place.
If they were being made to beleive these things then who made them lie about Jesus.
I would say that, based on the chronology of events, that the people who actually wrote the gospel of Jesus were not even alive when Jesus was. They were relaying tales passed down which became more and more fictitious with the telling. Finally when Christianity became a prominent religion, people decided to write down the stories they had heard.
The fact is that the bible does not contain one single first hand account of Jesus, yet it claims to, and furthermore it claims to have his exact words verbatim within its pages. If this were so then we would have books written by Jesus himself, or by the people who were with him at the time these events occurred. This is obviously not the case, and as such the bible offers no authoritative or definitively accurate account of Jesus.
I completely agree with both of these statements; however, by observing Jesus's views on issues and comparing them to todays political spectrum I feel that it can be determined he was a liberal. As paradox pointed out though many liberal philosophies can be traced back to the New Testament.
Many secular philosophies drew on The Bible, and conservatism probably the most strongly, so I don't think it's fair to say he was liberal on this basis. Also bear in mind the context of the times he was operating in. To be a liberal back in the day of an authoriatarian empire would have taken serious cojones. In terms of ideology it's impossible to place him anywhere more specific than a 'rogressive'. In terms of radicalism, he was probably like a pacifist Palestinian Che Guevara.
I dont believe god is a being I believe he is an experience, and if you have read the bible you can look back unto when Moses "experienced" god.
Umm... yeah... I've read the bible, several times and several different translations of it and Yahweh is clearly a being, according to it. It is rather apparent that YOU need to go back and read your bible.
I dont believe god is a being I believe he is an experience, and if you have read the bible you can look back unto when Moses "experienced" god.
you experience god when you wander the desert for 40 years and smoke shroom constantly. You're bound to get a burning bush telling you what to do as a result of your drug fueled-trip.
