I know, it only sounds like that when christians say it. But we all know that only true pastafarians go to heaven, where a beer volcano awaits them (probably a rum volcano as well) as well as stripper factories. There is no confirmed knowledge about Hell, as I know, but rumors has it it is the same, except the beer is stale and the strippers have STD.
Considering that the Earth is only scheduled for another 5 billion years of existence (roughly) - he's got to come some time within that. It's also highly likely that humanity will be long gone by that time - we'll probably have evolved beyond what we are now - if we haven't been completely wiped out due to war, disease, famine or pollution.
yes, we'll have evolved, but then it doesn;t happen instanly and we won't just forget our beleifs. And who said space coolonisation is completeley impossible?
yes, we'll have evolved, but then it doesn;t happen instanly and we won't just forget our beleifs. And who said space coolonisation is completeley impossible?
Ummm . . . yes we will. Religions don't tend to live all that long - look at all the polytheistic religions. They only lasted a few thousand years. There's really nothing that would differentiate all these monotheistic religions from sharing the same fate.
But we all know that only true pastafarians go to heaven, where a beer volcano awaits them (probably a rum volcano as well) as well as stripper factories. There is no confirmed knowledge about Hell, as I know, but rumors has it it is the same, except the beer is stale and the strippers have STD.
it's true. I saw youtube vid on it. Proof that it exists.
There's really nothing that would differentiate all these monotheistic religions from sharing the same fate.
Common belief perpetuates. How can so many people be wrong? Anyways, the more wood you throw on a fire the longer it burns, I think it's the same case here, whereas before there were people who believed in these religions, there are hundreds of thousands more who now believe in these.
As for where do we go after we die, why can't you all just leave this be, you'll know once it happens...or won't know, if there is nothing after.
Common belief perpetuates. How can so many people be wrong?
I hate to be the one that invokes Godwin's law here but - the Nazi's believed in slaughtering people they deemed unfit for the master race... How can so many people be wrong?
Human sacrifice has been practised for thousands of years - how can so many dead people be wrong?
Common belief doesn't mean something is true - people used to think that the sun revolved around the earth.
Common belief doesn't mean something is true - people used to think that the sun revolved around the earth.
I know that, but the truth of this is shown in simple things, rumors, religions, etc. Just because it's mass believed doesn't mean it's true, but it means that you'll have people who do think that, thus drawing more.
Anyways, the more wood you throw on a fire the longer it burns, I think it's the same case here, whereas before there were people who believed in these religions, there are hundreds of thousands more who now believe in these.
From an overall standpoint yes, but from a proportional standpoint, a smaller percentage of people are religious now than a few thousand years ago - back then, EVERYONE was religious, and now there're a sizable amount of atheists, agnostics, and people with no religion. The fastest-growing religious standpoint in the USA is the lack of a religion, and Europe is already on its way to being nonreligious. It seems like, if anything, we're taking wood off the fire - 16% of the world was nonreligious (about half of those are theists and half not) in 1990, and it's the only stance besides Islam that's growing in numbers today. Also, there's a lot more education and science in the world now, and as we learn more and become better-educated, the amount of nonreligious or nontheistic people tend to increase. Look at the 60s - there was much less science and education then, and then almost everyone was religious. Nowadays, there's a lot more science and education and fewer religious people proportionally. So yeah . . . if anything, religion - or at least the biggest religions these days - are on their way out.
Christians go to heaven. If they don't believe they go to hell.
Which is but one reason why I call such a God an unjust and cruel one. I'll believe or at least accept what I have evidence for. This Gods requirement of blind faith is ridiculous and goes against my ability to reason, which if this being is real he gave me in the first place. If he wanted me to believe in he he would shoe himself to me, and don't get into that "well that's knowing not believing" crap, it's a thinly veiled attempt to reconcile a clear flaw in this process that does nothing but boiling down to "knowledge is bad".
what is 2000 compared to that.. he will come when he is least expected. maybe even ina million years..
The problem here is every generation has said "the end is near" Even in the Bible it states that the generation Jesus was speaking to wouldn't pass, so all this was suppose to have happened already. Now there are those that interpret this as meaning many generations, okay fine. But this still still leaves the problem of how every generation makes the claim of the end time coming soon.
Common belief perpetuates. How can so many people be wrong?
There was a time the Romans believed in Zeus, how could so many people be wrong? There was a time the Egyptians believed in Ra, how could so many people be wrong? There was a time when almost everyone believed the earth was flat, how could so many people be wrong? This is just an appeal to popularity and is a fallacy.
I know that, but the truth of this is shown in simple things, rumors, religions, etc. Just because it's mass believed doesn't mean it's true, but it means that you'll have people who do think that, thus drawing more.
The Olympian, Egyptian, Norse, ... gods all had this as well, yet they all faded into myth.
Common belief doesn't mean something is true - people used to think that the sun revolved around the earth.
until it was disproven.(even though there was some trouble with the church)
Christians go to heaven. If they don't believe they go to hell.
Not in the catholic church. Just because you're not Chrisitian doesn't mean you can't do 'good' stuff. The catholic church says that 'the church'(aka the people that have the possibility to go to heaven) has different sections.. 1st-ly the catholic church, 2 christians9other deniminations, religeons that beleive in him(Islam,Judaism)(I think/unsure)... and anyone who has done a 'good' act.
the generation Jesus was speaking to wouldn't pass
Interesting.. can I have the chapter and verse/s? I never heard of this.
But this still still leaves the problem of how every generation makes the claim of the end time coming soon.
'soon' is not an absolute term.. as I said 10 min can be soon and 10000 years can be soon.
There was a time when almost everyone believed the earth was flat, how could so many people be wrong?
they didn't know. then it was disproven.. religeon(some) has not been disproven.
As for the other gods. well, there came the christian apostles and taught the people. The people decided to follow it because they liked it or whatever. They weren't 'wrong' they switched/converted.
Romans believed in Zeus
Off-topic: The greeks beleived in Zeus. The Romans had Jupiter.
Ummm . . . yes we will. Religions don't tend to live all that long - look at all the polytheistic religions. They only lasted a few thousand years. There's really nothing that would differentiate all these monotheistic religions from sharing the same fate.
Well, here's the idea of the time when he's least expected..
So? The burden of proof is on the "religeons," not the nonreligious. It doesn't matter if something hasn't been disproven - the idea is that claims can be called false within a reasonable doubt so long as they remain unsubstantiated. Disproving doesn't matter - it is not the job of the nonreligious to disprove. It is the job of the religious to prove - or at least back up.
Well, here's the idea of the time when he's least expected..
Yeah, well if any of this is true/correct, than him returning when "least expected" would be more of an icky thump than an explosion of salvation. Anybody can claim to be the reincarnation/personification of The Lawd Jaysuss Ca-rist, but when there aren't any people who either believe in Christianity/are crazy enough to follow this guy left to make a splash, then nothing will happen. Sabbatai Zevi is a good example - he hailed himself as the Jewish Messiah, and he could've changed the face of religion forever, but there weren't enough Jews or maniacs around to give him any momentum - so he was proven to be a sham rather easily. If some crazy naked man with a beard started claiming himself to be the reincarnation of Zeus, here to take us up and live in the sky utopia, nobody would give a s**t because nobody believes in Zeus anymore. Same principle applies to Jesus.
Well, there weren't enough Jews/maniacs to give him enough momentum to stay around - when he was faced with conversion to Islam, he didn't have enough followers to be able to deny it or stand up to the king, so he did, etc. etc.
It doesn't matter if something hasn't been disproven
Well, it's kind of hard to prove something that exists outside of spacetime!
Anybody can claim to be the reincarnation/personification of The Lawd Jaysuss Ca-rist
Well, it's easy to tell them apart: before the real Jesus comes, there will be great oppression. If someone called themselves Jesus, well, he has family and friends that would make it clear that he is a fake.
nobody believes in Zeus anymore. Same principle applies to Jesus.
what about that however many billion people that believe in him..
sky utopia
it's not in the sky, it's outside of spacetime.. and heaven/hell is more of a state(not the geographical meaning) than a place.
Well, it's kind of hard to prove something that exists outside of spacetime!
*facepalm* that's exactly why the theists have to! Making such an outrageous claim has consequences, one of them being the burden of proof for something that's very, very difficult to prove. Just because a claim is difficult to prove doesn't mean it isn't the job of the people who made the claim to prove it.
Well, it's easy to tell them apart: before the real Jesus comes, there will be great oppression. If someone called themselves Jesus, well, he has family and friends that would make it clear that he is a fake.
Are you sure? For a while, a lot of people thought Sabbatai was the Jewish Messiah. Guess what? He wasn't. They didn't do the best job of telling between real and fake - and it's not like people are more difficult to mislead these days. Just saying that we'll be able to tell isn't enough, because there's nothing suggesting that we'll be able to.
what about that however many billion people that believe in him..
*facepalm again* please reread my post. Context is important.
it's not in the sky, it's outside of spacetime.. and heaven/hell is more of a state(not the geographical meaning) than a place.
*facepalm again* please reread my post. Context is important.
