Interesting.. can I have the chapter and verse/s? I never heard of this.
Mark 13:30 I tell you the truth, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.
'soon' is not an absolute term.. as I said 10 min can be soon and 10000 years can be soon.
Yes soon is a relative term. In this instance they are speaking in human life times, So we are looking at soon as being at most about 100 years but likely far less.
they didn't know. then it was disproven..
It's a matter of proving something not disproving. It was proven that the Earth curved, it was proven the Earth was a spheroidal shape from space. Also the idea of the Earth being flat came out of religion.
religeon(some) has not been disproven.
Plenty in religion is has turned up clearly false, it often get's side stepped by being relegated to the realm of "it's only a metaphor". There was a time when everything in the current Bible was regarded as actually have happened. As science was able to prove how things actually work to hold onto these beliefs they got reinterpreted as metaphors. Of course with some of it this offers further problems for other scriptures that are still regarded as actually happening, but that tends to be ignored or written off as well.
As for the other gods. well, there came the christian apostles and taught the people. The people decided to follow it because they liked it or whatever. They weren't 'wrong' they switched/converted.
If they weren't wrong? So your saying these gods actually exist? If they didn't actually exist then they were wrong.
Off-topic: The greeks beleived in Zeus. The Romans had Jupiter.
Your right, got them mixed up. Jupiter is copied from Zeus, at least in personality. The Roman gods originally had no such personas, they just were.
Well, it's kind of hard to prove something that exists outside of spacetime!
God wasn't always regarded as being outside spacetime, he was regarded as being up in the sky. Of course as we progressed and got up there we didn't see him and religion had to put God as existing somewhere in outerspace, as we learned more he got pushed further away to this point that couldn't be proven or disproven. Sounds like they are just hiding.
Well, it's easy to tell them apart: before the real Jesus comes, there will be great oppression.
Well that pretty much describes just about ever era.
If someone called themselves Jesus, well, he has family and friends that would make it clear that he is a fake.
If they have family, even then they might not talk or be dismissed as non-believers.
what about that however many billion people that believe in him..
So what? There were many people who believed in Zeus and that belief was eventually abandoned.
it's not in the sky, it's outside of spacetime.. and heaven/hell is more of a state(not the geographical meaning) than a place.
Again as stated these are only modern concepts, they really were regarded as being in the sky and under the ground respectively.
There are 2 things that I think happens when you die. You go to Heaven or Hell and spend eternity there. 2nd one is that your soul goes into a baby that was just born, but in the same family (so like when you die, you might be born as your son's son) and you start all over again. Maybe you guys sound read this article to find more about it.
There are 2 things that I think happens when you die. You go to Heaven or Hell and spend eternity there. 2nd one is that your soul goes into a baby that was just born, but in the same family (so like when you die, you might be born as your son's son) and you start all over again. Maybe you guys sound read this article to find more about it.
What makes you think either of these will happen? For that matter what makes you think there is a soul to begin with?
I tell you the truth, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.
Very interesting, after reading the entire chapter(so I get the overall context), I do think that 'generation' has a much wider meaning, maybe it means that after this world ends, another will come, maybe it means the 'ast christ era', or
As for the other gods. well, there came the christian apostles and taught the people. The people decided to follow it because they liked it or whatever. They weren't 'wrong' they switched/converted.
If they weren't wrong? So your saying these gods actually exist? If they didn't actually exist then they were wrong.
no, It's hard to explain,I mean that nobody actually proved them wrong. They just found that it was more beleivable.
It's a matter of proving something not disproving. It was proven that the Earth curved, it was proven the Earth was a spheroidal shape from space. Also the idea of the Earth being flat came out of religion.
and that disproved the idea of a flat earth. If there was an idea of the earth being.. say.. triangular, that would have also been disproven.
as for it coming out of religeon, yeah, true. I still don't know where they got it from though..
Are you sure? For a while, a lot of people thought Sabbatai was the Jewish Messiah. Guess what? He wasn't. They didn't do the best job of telling between real and fake - and it's not like people are more difficult to mislead these days. Just saying that we'll be able to tell isn't enough, because there's nothing suggesting that we'll be able to.
Well, that's why Jesus warns us against the false ones, we just have to put the effort in to tell them apart and work it then. It will be clear enough.
For that matter what makes you think there is a soul to begin with?
Well, mankind wouldn't exactly just think it up for no reason, and it wouldn't be so instant. So, it is very likeley that it does exist.
Very interesting, after reading the entire chapter(so I get the overall context), I do think that 'generation' has a much wider meaning, maybe it means that after this world ends, another will come, maybe it means the 'ast christ era', or
As i don't have a religion, i don't believe there is such a thing as a heaven or a hell, but i don't think it just ends. I believe in such things as reincarnation or spirits.
there's one thing i hope and that's that there's something after you die
Well, that's why Jesus warns us against the false ones, we just have to put the effort in to tell them apart and work it then. It will be clear enough.
You keep saying that, but you're doing absolutely nothing to back up your point. You just "refuted" what I said to you by repeating the same thing. Actually argue this instead of just repeating the same thing over and over again. What makes Jesus any different than any other fake messiah? What proves that he was the real messiah? How do you know it will be clear enough? Try to substantiate your argument, because right now you're just acting like a broken record.
and that disproved the idea of a flat earth. If there was an idea of the earth being.. say.. triangular, that would have also been disproven.
No, nothing was disproven. It was proven that the earth was round, which invalidated the other ideas - there was no direct disprovement going on, because that's not how things work.
. . . anyway, I have a 103-degree fever so I should prolly be sleeping instead of AGing. Be back later >_>
Very interesting, after reading the entire chapter(so I get the overall context), I do think that 'generation' has a much wider meaning, maybe it means that after this world ends, another will come, maybe it means the 'ast christ era', or
I'm pretty sure "assage x can have a wider meaning" is appliable to almost everything in bible. That's the thing with literal vs. metaphorical.
and that disproved the idea of a flat earth. If there was an idea of the earth being.. say.. triangular, that would have also been disproven.
By disproving something, you didn't necessarily prove it's contrary. By proving earth is round, you did not just disprove it being flat, you disproved it being anything else than round (or ellipsoid, or even better potato shaped). Disproving earth being flat doesn't mean it is ellipsoid. So disproving isn't nearly as efficient and significant as proving.
Well, that's why Jesus warns us against the false ones, we just have to put the effort in to tell them apart and work it then. It will be clear enough.
I have a small problem with this.. until now there were only fake ones (there will always be fake ones, but let's let this aside). How can you be sure your method is working if you always only have one result and not the other? How can you be sure you didn't miss him long ago? How could you be 100% sure that it's him once you meet him?
Well, mankind wouldn't exactly just think it up for no reason, and it wouldn't be so instant. So, it is very likeley that it does exist.
There is a reason, human sees a living creature, it's character, and automatically imagines something behind it. Something it can't understand. Something so complex and "lively" it "can't just be so mechanical/chemical". We have problems to accept the truth because the truth for some isn't the nicest version. It isn't even entirely thought up, it comes kinda naturally; almost all civilization or tribe has/had a notion of a 'soul', not because there is one, but because we think similarly; we are all humans.
So do I but why do you think such things as spirits exist?
Because i had an experience with my sister who has died many years ago. I saw her while she was already death and i could feel her sometimes.
Also my nephew once had an experience with it. He did something stupid (you have knife, put some of your blood on it and spin a bottle, such a thing), he called spirits and had a very very negative experience with it. He was scared to death after that and wouldn't do it over
no, It's hard to explain,I mean that nobody actually proved them wrong. They just found that it was more beleivable.
What makes it any more believable? Why would one god being any more believable then many?
as for it coming out of religeon, yeah, true. I still don't know where they got it from though..
From having a lack of knowledge about the world. For instance how the Bible describes the world as a circle. The word used there in Hebrew definitely denoted a flat Earth as there was another word they could have used to describe a three dimensional sphere shape. So just like how circle denote s a flat round surface in our language it also does in theirs.
Well, mankind wouldn't exactly just think it up for no reason, and it wouldn't be so instant. So, it is very likeley that it does exist.
I can think of reason humans would imagine a concept like a soul. Fear of death or lacking the ability to conceptualize not existing for examples.
What makes Jesus any different than any other fake messiah? What proves that he was the real messiah?
The miracles that the apostles experienced, the fact that some of the stuff he said has becaome true hundereds of years later.
By disproving something, you didn't necessarily prove it's contrary. By proving earth is round, you did not just disprove it being flat, you disproved it being anything else than round (or ellipsoid, or even better potato shaped). Disproving earth being flat doesn't mean it is ellipsoid. So disproving isn't nearly as efficient and significant as proving.
You disprove something by proving something else that makes the other statement untrue. Plus what you said is what I meant by saying that if there was an idea that earth was triangular it also have been disproven.
How can you be sure you didn't miss him long ago?
Because then i wouldn't be writing this.
There is a reason, human sees a living creature, it's character, and automatically imagines something behind it. Something it can't understand. Something so complex and "lively" it "can't just be so mechanical/chemical". We have problems to accept the truth because the truth for some isn't the nicest version. It isn't even entirely thought up, it comes kinda naturally; almost all civilization or tribe has/had a notion of a 'soul', not because there is one, but because we think similarly; we are all humans.
Guilt, why would peole want to feel guilty? It doesn't make any good/positive stuff, does it? And yet we still feel it. Consience make it even more likeley that a soul exists.
The miracles that the apostles experienced, the fact that some of the stuff he said has becaome true hundereds of years later.
The miracles the apostles said is only there word. Worse that that it might not even be there word but something someone else came up with later down the line. There's nothing making Jesus's miracles any more credible than the things Hercules did, just to name one example.
The things that have come true have been self fulfilling prophecies, it said it was going to happen to people made it happen. Or the prophecy was (like many) so vague that it could apply to any number of situations.
Because then i wouldn't be writing this.
How does that prove anything?
Guilt, why would peole want to feel guilty? It doesn't make any good/positive stuff, does it? And yet we still feel it. Consience make it even more likeley that a soul exists.
It makes you considering your actions and try to positively rectify negative situations that were in direct result of your actions. These things could easily come about from the result of living in a social groups. Conscienceness doesn't make the existence of a soul any more likely either. A conscience is just an emergent property from the activity of the brain. Due to a lack of understanding, we've just tacked on these metaphysical properties to it. In fact even today we don't have a clear definition of what this is. Which makes using it as evidence for a soul all that more unreliable.
You disprove something by proving something else that makes the other statement untrue.
Ok; to disprove something, you need to prove it's statements is false. - We know today that the world does not need a god to work, and this is proven by scientifical means. Disprove this statement. - I state that God doesn't exist. Now you must prove this is false, in other words, you must prove God exists. Prove it.
Because then i wouldn't be writing this.
You personally are certain that you are right, sure, but does it apply for real?
Guilt, why would peole want to feel guilty? It doesn't make any good/positive stuff, does it? And yet we still feel it. Consience make it even more likeley that a soul exists.
The question is not why would we want or not want. The thing is, you know that if someone does a bad thing to you, you are sad or whatever; and since we are able of emphathy, we know if we do something bad to another, he/she must feel sad or whatever. It's a side-effect of the theory of mind.
Believe me, the brain does not need an immaterial entity to produce the effect we know. How would this immaterial thing influence the brain, by which mechanism? Individual brain morphology diversity very well explains the different characters; how could an immaterial thing achieve this? For me, it is rather unlikely that something like this exists. I have a feeling you base the likelyhood of a soul only on apparent things.
