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Lizzy123
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Are you a vegetarian or do you eat meat, and why? I'm a vegetarian because I believe slaughtering animals is wrong and that meat is unnecessary for humans. You can disagree with me, as long as you actually have something interesting to say. For example, don't say something dumb like "meat tastes good".

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HahiHa
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Doesn't mean we have to stop eating meat. Just that we have to eat less meat. But completely giving up on it would greatly reduce life quality, at least in my case.

PurplePursuit
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Funny argument that i saw:
The largest meat eater was the T-rex, where is he now?

314d1
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First off, I am not sure that it is an "ism"....

Okay, i understand that meat is good medically. But looking at the environmental cost:


Driving your car less and doing things like walking and biking instead would improve more, and the protein from meat would allow you to do that.

The largest meat eater was the T-rex, where is he now?


He was killed... By an asteroid. I don't see how that effects anything- the herbivore of that time were even larger and also died...
PurplePursuit
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^Aww snap i shouldn't have taken this view point. Nice rebuttals.

Driving your car less and doing things like walking and biking instead would improve more, and the protein from meat would allow you to do that.


Nonetheless its mroe about the production of meat o fuel our insatiable unhealthy hunger. Cows produce a lot of methane, and thats a greenhouse gas.

He was killed... By an asteroid. I don't see how that effects anything- the herbivore of that time were even larger and also died...


Ye thats a flaw in my argument.
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If you switch to vegetarianism, you can shrink your carbon footprint by up to 1.5 tons of carbon dioxide a year, according to research by the University of Chicago.


Cows produce a lot of methane, and thats a greenhouse gas.

cars and factories combined produce more. 'nuff said.
PurplePursuit
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Plants grow better with more CO2!
Ok, c02 is not the limiting factor with photosynthesis, water and temperature is. We have excess CO2 and more of it will not speed up plant growth.
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Nonetheless its mroe about the production of meat o fuel our insatiable unhealthy hunger. Cows produce a lot of methane, and thats a greenhouse gas.


Lets say your right and being a vegetarian is good for the environment- what would you do with all those cows? For "vegetarianism" to make any noticeable effect, it would take millions turning away from meat- deviation the meat market. Killing those cows would be considered inhumane if the meat is going to waste- releasing them would have the same problem of the environment. There isn't an environmentally or humane way to dispose of the cows.

Second- with millions more switching to vegetables the market for them will go up, pressuring the need for more land to farm on, thus forests will get cut down for the acres of new farm land that would be necessary. The trees convert far more CO2 (a greenhouse gas) into oxygen than the crops do, meaning far more carbon dioxide will be released into the atmosphere negating the positive effects of the cows.
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Cow farts don't have that much of an effect on Global Warming, even though methane is four times more efficient as an insulator.

Second- with millions more switching to vegetables the market for them will go up, pressuring the need for more land to farm on, thus forests will get cut down for the acres of new farm land that would be necessary. The trees convert far more CO2 (a greenhouse gas) into oxygen than the crops do, meaning far more carbon dioxide will be released into the atmosphere negating the positive effects of the cows.


What he said. PeTA can take their celery sticks and shove them up their pipes.
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I'm actually an omnivore, like most people. To be honest, I don't really see the point in vegetarianism; the wild is kill or be killed, that's how we were once. Those cows/pigs/whatever are all going to die someday, might as well just make it useful while we're at it. In addition, if a veggie doesn't eat meat, then another omni will. It's just simple.

Efan
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greenhouse gases aren't pollutants, the EPA is a total fail

did i just read that? green house gases are not pollutants? you must be joking.
PurplePursuit
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Second- with millions more switching to vegetables the market for them will go up, pressuring the need for more land to farm on, thus forests will get cut down for the acres of new farm land that would be necessary. The trees convert far more CO2 (a greenhouse gas) into oxygen than the crops do, meaning far more carbon dioxide will be released into the atmosphere negating the positive effects of the cows.


Those cows/pigs/whatever are all going to die someday, might as well just make it useful while we're at it.


But ethically is it right? You may say you hurt vegetation but you can eat part of vegetables as veggies are mainly the store of the biomass of the main plant and it will still grow normally. Try taking a pork chop from a pig and see if it survives.

GE crops will mean you need less space. Also most of the land for cows already and cattle ranches can be used to plant vegetation.

Take Anna Creek Station, well known as the biggest Australian cattle station: this station in the Outback of South Australia covers 6,000,000 acres, or 34,000 km2.
314d1
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But ethically is it right? You may say you hurt vegetation but you can eat part of vegetables as veggies are mainly the store of the biomass of the main plant and it will still grow normally. Try taking a pork chop from a pig and see if it survives.


Try cutting a head off of a piece of corn and see if it survives! Most of the common crops die once you pick them- wheat, corn, etc are essentially cut down to provide you with food. They don't go out in the field and pick all the corn by hand any more- they use machines which kill the plants (Of course I am all for the use of machines, plant life is worth pretty little in my book I am simply pointing out you have to kill things to live)

One cow will feed you for a long time. One corn life will feed you for a day. We have to kill to eat, lets at least make sure the life is worth something.

GE crops will mean you need less space. Also most of the land for cows already and cattle ranches can be used to plant vegetation.


Much of that land is unfit for farming- some times the reason it has cattle on it in the first place. And animals don't require large fields, many are small, and the ones that would have to make cuts would be the large corporation ones that try to be the most efficient with space, meaning you would receive limited land by buying the former ranches.

And you still have the issue of the cows that no one wants to eat- are you telling us you want to kill them and waste there meat, or let them go witch would defeat the purpose? There is nothing you could do effectively with them.
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But ethically is it right? You may say you hurt vegetation but you can eat part of vegetables as veggies are mainly the store of the biomass of the main plant and it will still grow normally. Try taking a pork chop from a pig and see if it survives.

Yes, I'm sorry, but ethically it is right. For one thing, as I said, they're all going to die anyway, so we should at least make them useful. Second, they're animals. I hate to be the bad guy here but seriously, animals are not on the same level as humans. If a carnivorous animal had the chance to kill a human and eat it, guess what? It totally would! We're built to be omnivores and I for one don't mind eating meat.
Also; harvesting something can kill it. With a bulb plant where to get the yummies you have to uproot it, that kills the plant. So potatoes, radishes, etc, every time you eat one of those you eat a dead plant.
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Cows: Rather than have them for meat, you could use them for dairy products and keep them alive for longer to establish rather than killing them as calves. Furthermore you can keep them and use the fertilizers to grow more vegetables. Keep them alive for longer for there byproducts rather than eat them when they are young.

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Cows: Rather than have them for meat, you could use them for dairy products and keep them alive for longer to establish rather than killing them as calves. Furthermore you can keep them and use the fertilizers to grow more vegetables. Keep them alive for longer for there byproducts rather than eat them when they are young.


but again humans aren't meant to eat only vegetables and fruits
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