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Lizzy123
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Are you a vegetarian or do you eat meat, and why? I'm a vegetarian because I believe slaughtering animals is wrong and that meat is unnecessary for humans. You can disagree with me, as long as you actually have something interesting to say. For example, don't say something dumb like "meat tastes good".

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Kyouzou
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A majority of the vegetarians I know, which isn't a lot at all, couldn't care less either way.

If we didn't kill cows for meat then odds are that there would me more of them, causing more methane.

samy
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If we didn't kill cows for meat then odds are that there would me more of them, causing more methane.


Not really we just wouldn't breed as many.

I was thinking about going vegetarian but I already have enough problems gaining weight and a meatless diet requires a few to many pills than I can handle.

As a side note I'm pro-animal rights to an extent; that is if we are going to eat them we should kill them in a slightly more humane way.
MageGrayWolf
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As a side note I'm pro-animal rights to an extent; that is if we are going to eat them we should kill them in a slightly more humane way.


The modern methods are usually quite quick resulting little to no pain. What would you recommend?
BenTheBozer
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Death is usally within a minute it's quick and easy and they don't lie there in pain, the sheep at the slaugter house are hit with a eletric zap and then the boners go to work.

samy
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The modern methods are usually quite quick resulting little to no pain. What would you recommend?


The problem is usually, to my knowledge there isn't a heavily enforced law on animal slaughter. Also I'm for laws forcing farmers to give animals more space to live, a lower amount of hormones, and a higher quality of life overall.
BenTheBozer
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I don't understand why you would want this, the reason we are farming these animals is for comsumption and to produce materials, these animals are purely around because we have farmed them.

samy
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I don't understand why you would want this, the reason we are farming these animals is for comsumption and to produce materials, these animals are purely around because we have farmed them.


It doesn't mean we have the right to treat them like crap, you're only around because your parents were drunk one night (well maybe not drunk but you catch my drift) that doesn't give them the right to treat you like crap. Also happy meat is tasty meat.
MRWalker82
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The problem is usually, to my knowledge there isn't a heavily enforced law on animal slaughter.


Actually there is for animals who are raised for consumption in the US. The USDA actually has rather strict requirements on the slaughter procedures, and performs pre- and post-mortem inspections on all livestock slaughtered for food.

Also I'm for laws forcing farmers to give animals more space to live, a lower amount of hormones, and a higher quality of life overall.


While I agree, what you propose here would increase the costs of raising livestock, as well as reducing the production of the products we get from them, which would drastically increase the price of these products. Possibly so much so to make such products unaffordable to many people.
BenTheBozer
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It doesn't mean we have the right to treat them like crap


There not treated like crap most of them have better living conditons then the children in Africa and atleast they die quicker then them.
samy
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There not treated like crap most of them have better living conditons then the children in Africa and atleast they die quicker then them.


Have you ever seen how closer packed together chickens are? Four chickens are put into a cage the size of a folded out newspaper, the cages are stacked on top of each other so the eggs role through but animal waste does as well. They're basically feed hormones and they aren't happy animals.

While I agree, what you propose here would increase the costs of raising livestock, as well as reducing the production of the products we get from them, which would drastically increase the price of these products. Possibly so much so to make such products unaffordable to many people.


I understand but we have to ask ourselves what a good balance is between economic viability of a product and how the product is treated. I feel the living conditions could be altered to allow the animals an improved quality of life without a massive rise in price.


Actually there is for animals who are raised for consumption in the US. The USDA actually has rather strict requirements on the slaughter procedures, and performs pre- and post-mortem inspections on all livestock slaughtered for food.


I stand corrected then.
MRWalker82
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Have you ever seen how closer packed together chickens are? Four chickens are put into a cage the size of a folded out newspaper, the cages are stacked on top of each other so the eggs role through but animal waste does as well. They're basically feed hormones and they aren't happy animals.


This is actually not a common practice anymore, and from my understanding is actually illegal now since the great hubbub about the mistreatment of chickens years ago. I remember actually reading many disgusting stories about practices like this, however I also heard that has since been banned. I could be misinformed, but am too lazy to google.
samy
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This is actually not a common practice anymore, and from my understanding is actually illegal now since the great hubbub about the mistreatment of chickens years ago. I remember actually reading many disgusting stories about practices like this, however I also heard that has since been banned. I could be misinformed, but am too lazy to google.


I don't believe so, I know laws are being enacted in some states but I don't think it's a federal law.
MRWalker82
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I don't believe so, I know laws are being enacted in some states but I don't think it's a federal law.


Interesting. Remind me tomorrow to do some research on this because it seems like an intriguing topic. Have to take off for the night though.
samy
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Interesting. Remind me tomorrow to do some research on this because it seems like an intriguing topic. Have to take off for the night though.


Will do, I'm planning on it myself but as of now google isn't uncovering anything relevant.

Enjoy your AG free night.
MageGrayWolf
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Interesting. Remind me tomorrow to do some research on this because it seems like an intriguing topic. Have to take off for the night though.


here's some stuff to get started.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slaughterhouse
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poultry_farming

Chicken Farms - The Real Story
Electric Stunning of Pigs and Sheep
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