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Alexander116
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Carbon 14 is not that complex really. When cosmic rays bombard earth's atmosphere, they produce neutrons. These neutrons then collide with nitrogen atoms in the atmosphere, changing them into radioactive carbon-14 atoms. The carbon-14 is then absorbed by plants during photosynthesis. When the animals eat the plants the carbon-14 is then absorbed into there bodies, and when other animals eat that animal it is absorbed into them also. All of us have the same amount of carbon-14 in us currently and the carbon-14 slowly leaks out by turning into nitogen-14 and escaping but we, by eating, continually re-absorb it at the same rate. When an animal or plant dies the carbon still leaks out in this way but it is no longer being brought back into the body and me can measure the rate at which it leaves (the basis for carbon-14 dating) the problem with this is that all the carbon will leave any dead organism in about 11,460 years. So if we are finding this carbon in dinosaur ones and fossils these fossils can be no older than about 11,460 or else they would no longer contain carbon-14! This is why I believe that it is impossible for the millions of years necessary for the evolutionary process.

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MageGrayWolf
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Evolution is not a fact it is a theory and the fact that I have "beef" with it is because I do not believe that any of the facts that supposedly &quotrove" evolution are scientifically inaccurate.


That's because your either ignoring or twisting the facts around.

Actually
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_as_theory_and_fact

Fact is often used by scientists to refer to experimental or empirical data or objective verifiable observations.

(Like our Nylonase pals.)

"Fact" is also used in a wider sense to mean any theory for which there is overwhelming evidence.


(Like what we have but you blatantly ignore.)

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/evolution-fact.html

So yes it's both a fact and theory.
Alexander116
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yes they are stop not accepting facts and you seem to actually ignore other comments that prove you wrong EVEN more...i wonder why


I did not say that they weren't accurate or anything like that I just said that they could not be used in the progression of the debate. And they do not prove me wrong in fact all of you keep dodging any evidence that I bring up! So I'm going to stop trying to convice you guys, I'm going tot let you try to convince me, tell me how evolution "really" works and where matter came from and how species evolve without dieing out and someone please explain all the other forms of radio isatope dating other than C14

I will not just yell back at you guys if you bring up valid points that are scientifically accurate I will take them seriously! and just to let you all know, nobody is forcing you to debate with me if your fed up with me or just done with the topic then you odn't have to keep debating.
Alexander116
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But just for educational purposes for the rest of you listening here is a link with examples of microevolution.
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrar ⦠oscales_03


This link is not proof of microevolution it is simply adaptation.
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Mooooood.... Please lock.

This is going nowhere. Alexander, we have done all of that already multiple times. You are as bad as Wendy Wright. Every 'evidence' you have presented has been debunked, and you have summarily dismissed everyone who has actually given you factual answers to your questions about science and evolution. You are just ignoring them and repeating the same questions which have been answered. Just stop.

MRWalker82
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This link is not proof of microevolution it is simply adaptation.

http://cdn3.knowyourmeme.com/i/6515/original/jesus-facepalm-facepalm-jesus-epic-demotivational-poster-1218659828.jpg?1248715819

Umm.. evolution IS adaptation. It is the acquiring of new traits through mutations of the genome in response to internal and external stimuli, also called natural selection.

Alexander116
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MrWalker82,

You igonred the ladt part of my message here it is again

and just to let you all know, nobody is forcing you to debate with me if your fed up with me or just done with the topic then you odn't have to keep debating.
MRWalker82
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This link is not proof of microevolution it is simply adaptation.

http://cdn3.knowyourmeme.com/i/6515/original/jesus-facepalm-facepalm-jesus-epic-demotivational-poster-1218659828.jpg?1248715819

Umm.. evolution IS adaptation. It is the acquiring of new traits through mutations of the genome in response to internal and external stimuli, also called natural selection.

MageGrayWolf
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This link is not proof of microevolution it is simply adaptation.


Before this get's locked I need to just get this out of my system.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y163/MageGrayWolf/Epic_Facepalm_by_RJTH.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y163/MageGrayWolf/religious_zealot-264x300.jpg
MRWalker82
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nobody is forcing you to debate with me if your fed up with me or just done with the topic then you odn't have to keep debating.


Actually you are forcing us to 'debate' with you (it's not even a debate anyway) by purporting as truth such blatantly dishonest rhetoric. You are forcing us because we do not want some hapless person stumbling upon this thread and actually giving any credit to your BS.

We care about the truth, about facts, and we don't want to live in a world where demonstrably wrong dogma is presented as a fact. You, and people like you, are why I am so against religion, childhood indoctrination, and why I feel it necessary to be an educator. I seriously pity you if you hold on to these ideas you have as you get older and go out into the world.

The overwhelming majority of the world already knows that the crap you are saying is wrong and they are going to berate you and label you an idiot because you can even entertain such ideas. This is why I am trying to teach you, to show you why your ideas are wrong and so is whoever tried to teach you these things.
Alexander116
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The thing is natural selection can not bring about wings, legs, or even DNA for that matter. and thats a fact. I believe someone said this a little while ago.

Well I hate to break it to you but facts are facts. By their nature you can't argue with them because they are not debatable points. They are truths. Any debate against a truth would be a falsehood.
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http://joechianakas.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/stupidity.jpg

wait up for me!

MRWalker82
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The thing is natural selection can not bring about wings, legs, or even DNA for that matter. and thats a fact. I believe someone said this a little while ago.


Yes it can. We even showed you how it happens. It's a fact that evolution by natural selection DID bring about wings.
Alexander116
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Actually you are forcing us to 'debate' with you (it's not even a debate anyway) by purporting as truth such blatantly dishonest rhetoric. You are forcing us because we do not want some hapless person stumbling upon this thread and actually giving any credit to your BS.


Simply not true I cant "force" you to do anything, honestly if you are so frustrated than please move on so that my thread does not get locked.
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and how species evolve without dieing out


survival of the fittest, aka natural selection mate. The many mass extinctions on earth have proved this, the less adaptable survive while the superior, more adaptable one lives. Also the fact that organism genes ( unless your a virus or prokaryote) are a mix of 2 parents or sometimes just 1, in the former creating a larger 'gene pool' for the offspring to carry on.

ask for a link about this, gladly give ya one.

I'm going tot let you try to convince me, tell me how evolution "really" works


evolution... well it encompasses so many things that it is hard to explain it all in words...

someone please explain all the other forms of radio isatope dating other than C14


linky linky?

History and general background information
Dating rocks via Oxygen isotope ( say there is a rock inside a fossil)
Radiometric Isotope dating <<< wikipedia
More Radiometric dating, educational site ( college/school)
How fossils are dated
geological dating
Alexander116
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MRWalker82,
One of us is wrong and we both think its the other, we have come to a dead halt an no more debating can ensue only mockery as all your pictures have shown clearly. And by the way all that mockery and trumping is clearly agains the guidelines.

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