People call certain Americans educated... but are they really? A lot of people say that Democrats are better because they're educated, and Republicans are more educated and so on and so on... but is anyone in America educated to the point of someone in, say, England?
This is highly opinionated, as school systems in England and the US differ in many ways, and every society has its intellectuals and idiots. You cannot judge the quality of education between two countries, because teaching methods are different and effective each in their own way.
If you want to discus this you will need to give at least some sources. One important question is how many people have had experience in both public school systems. Otherwise this is a pointless thread and will most likely gets its own brand-new padlock soon.
Also food for thought the Chinese base ten counting like instead of saying eleven they say ten-one. Which has major impact in the ability to do mathematic sooner than other cultures where eleven is a special word for a number.
our best can hang with anyone else's best... although i will say that we, the US, do in fact have some really stupid people. My college has a program that allows some of our students, those that can afford tuition for both schools, to go to schools in England for a semester... or two if they have even that much more money... and they say that there aren't many differences at all
IQ doesn't measure knowledge, Darkroot, keep that in mind. IQ has no correlation between uneducated immigrants.
I do admit that Americans' educations are low. But what makes the difference between an American education and, say, a Japanese education? Japanese cultures have a large history and tradition of upholding honor, dignity, and respect. This is apparent in schools, where they even compete for highschools, while they take extra classes to study more. They have such a high work ethic for school studies, whereas in America, apathy is evident. So is it the educational system that's at fault, or is it the students?
Yes, a thread about Chaos Faction 2 can illustrate the US's failings.
I personally think that it's the students fault for not wanting to take extra-curricular classes and taking all AP classes or not. It's their decision if they want to be successful or not.
As for English people being smarting than Americans, can you show us some statistics?
I personally think that it's the students fault for not wanting to take extra-curricular classes and taking all AP classes or not. It's their decision if they want to be successful or not
I blame Western culture. The Chinese and Japanese have a culture and society based solely upon the merits and benefits of education, while we, Americans and Canadians, share a European style of society and culture where we simply are more apathetic since we believe we are the best. Meanwhile it is the Oriental nations that I view as the more refined seeing as the emphasise knowledge, however, many Oriental students lack a social structure, and because they are so consumed with work and schooling they do not develop social skills. There are pros and cons to both systems, I wouldn't compare the US to England because of the similar societies.
People call certain Americans educated... but are they really?
There are different qualifications of educated, such as College, High School, Master's degrees and such, so it depends on which you think is the minimum requirement to be considered educated.
they are so consumed with work and schooling they do not develop social skills.
If I was Asian, I would find this very offensive. I lived in Japan for 2 years and visited many other Asian countries, and they do have social skills, their schooling is just set up a lot differently than ours. Where we catch up is in college, where these students that have been scrutinized and micromanaged on a daily basis are given some freedom in their routine, and they handle it quite differently than we do.
IQ doesn't measure knowledge, Darkroot, keep that in mind.
It measures the "g factor" (general intelligence) which is the the combination of crystallize intelligence and fluid intelligence. Since crystallized intelligence is is the ability to use skills, knowledge, and experience, and since we can't measure how much people try to learn something. It's the best measure we have.
IQ has no correlation between uneducated immigrants.
I don't know what you mean by that but people born to low social class people or people with a lower education have themselves a lower IQ. This would then result in an average dip in IQ since the increase of uneducated individuals.
I do admit that Americans' educations are low. But what makes the difference between an American education and, say, a Japanese education? Japanese cultures have a large history and tradition of upholding honor, dignity, and respect. This is apparent in schools, where they even compete for highschools, while they take extra classes to study more. They have such a high work ethic for school studies, whereas in America, apathy is evident. So is it the educational system that's at fault, or is it the students?
In Japanese these virtues are true but we have similar virtues like individuality and individual success. It impossible to determine which of the two drives is more prominent in education. Also keep in mind Japanese have more access to technology which in turn forces people to learn which increases IQ.
I don't think I really get your question though are you asking about knowledge or intelligence? Further on that do you want to know the natural knowledge inclination or how the school system is structured? Furthermore do you mean strictly knowledge of STEM or do you consider the humanities as well?
If I was Asian, I would find this very offensive. I lived in Japan for 2 years and visited many other Asian countries, and they do have social skills, their schooling is just set up a lot differently than ours. Where we catch up is in college, where these students that have been scrutinized and micromanaged on a daily basis are given some freedom in their routine, and they handle it quite differently than we do
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I'm not trying to offend anyone. I read an article in a magazine on Asian students attending Canadian Universities, and the article stated that compared to Canadians, the Asian students, for the most part, were not as social as their Canadian counterparts. Now, that does not mean they are robots. I am sure that within their own culture they have their social skills developed, however, I was comparing North americans to Japan and China. And when one does that then one must take into account the cultural, social, and educations aspects.
