Christmas is originally a Christian holiday to celebrate Jesus's birth. Now it mainly about Santa and presents. What could be done to recenter the holiday back on Christ?
Proving your god exists in any way, shape, or form would be science. If this god exists, he would not be apart from science, he would, in fact, be science.
Why? Why can't something be supernatural? Because science is teh best and religion is for teh noobs?
I heard it some months ago on the blog blog- it would take me all knight to find it.
Google?
And are you kidding? I see Christian adds all the time... They just don't get vandalized nearly as often.
Because they're affirmative I see less of a problem with it, this goes for all religions and philosophy. Atheism, by nature, really can't be affirmative as it's the lack of belief and therefore must be negative towards other beliefs. Go ahead and do be negative in private, I am, but creating advertisement about it? Not the smartest use of funds, again.
Not really- the "huge impact" is meant to be lessened by the rest of the atheist community, and once more it is going for the "closet atheist" who do not believe in the Christian god.
Closet atheists are like hungry people?
Great, so why did you argue with me in the first place on this point?
I just find it funny so many people criticize the entirety of religion while searching for the key thing it offers.
Why? Why can't something be supernatural? Because science is teh best and religion is for teh noobs?
Because- if something exists there is a science for it. For example, I will bring up Harry Potter. If we did studies on his magic, we would see some characteristics of it and write them down- thus making them science. Science is knowledge.
Google?
To tired. I tried the first page but apparently my word choice is poor in searching.
Closet atheists are like hungry people?
Sure...
I just find it funny so many people criticize the entirety of religion while searching for the key thing it offers.
You can have a since of community without the need for stories that have caused wars and all that stuff I have said a million times.
If we did studies on his magic, we would see some characteristics of it and write them down- thus making them science. Science is knowledge.
Because it is clearly observable I agree with the statement. A god, however, could exist without being able to be known by the five senses making it impossible to observe and therefore non-compatible with science.
You can have a since of community without the need for stories that have caused wars and all that stuff I have said a million times.
Of course, but you don't often here people only criticize some aspects of religion unless they themselves belong to that belong to that belief system. Lately it's been an all or nothing crap shot. Until atheists provide a viable alternative to religious communities while making sure to focus on this very positive aspect of religion.
I tried the first page but apparently my word choice is poor in searching.
Why? Why can't something be supernatural? Because science is teh best and religion is for teh noobs?
No, it's because we live in a scientific age. It's also an age where we are logical people that have found great success in science since we can get repeatable and reliable results. Which helps in the progress in our green and pure world. Also whats up with the slang and taking it personally?
Also whats up with the slang and taking it personally?
It's the relationship I have with numbers, we piss each other off and then either completely stop arguing or agree on something. For instance I'm helping him get his google-fu on and we've agreed on a few points.
It's also an age where we are logical people that have found great success in science since we can get repeatable and reliable results. Which helps in the progress in our green and pure world.
I'm confused as to what this has to do with the supernaturalism of god?
I realize this, and apparently you interpenetrate it close enough to my designed meaning to just leave it at that.
Because it is clearly observable I agree with the statement. A god, however, could exist without being able to be known by the five senses making it impossible to observe and therefore non-compatible with science.
It depends on what you define as "god". The Christian god is claimed to have substantial, continues, and frequent effects on human life- if that is true it would be observable. At the moment, I can not think of any religion that claims it's deity does not have a substantial current and observable effect on its worshipers. That "Mah god can't be found" excuse doesn't work when it is supposed to give you the power to "move mountains".
And even if a god were to be described as you put it- then what is the point of worship? Even souls or some other part of you that goes on to the afterlife would be observable, defeating any purpose that the deity would have, making it a safe bet to not believe in it anyway.
Of course, but you don't often here people only criticize some aspects of religion unless they themselves belong to that belong to that belief system. Lately it's been an all or nothing crap shot. Until atheists provide a viable alternative to religious communities while making sure to focus on this very positive aspect of religion.
I never claimed that the communities were positive- just that they give an alternative. Its like smoking then putting a patch on, neither are essentially positive, but the patch is an alternative to cut down on the harmful effects.
Your talking about why something can't be supernatural. Then you get teh angry about it. I just thought I would clear it up why people don't want to accept it.
It's the relationship I have with numbers
Very nice nickname, but numbers does not only consists of positive integers he also has symbols in his name.
we piss each other off and then either completely stop arguing or agree on something.
Lol, you sound like a couple. Just make sure you agree on basic fundamental of ideals or your marriage will end up a disaster :P.
I realize this, and apparently you interpenetrate it close enough to my designed meaning to just leave it at that.
I, uh, fair enough.
the Christian god is claimed to have substantial, continues, and frequent effects on human life- if that is true it would be observable.
Right, but god himself, in his true form, is said to be unobservable. I understand your point and too an extent agree but I believe the argument can still be made that science cannot provide a heck of a lot of insight into whether god exists or not. Yes it provides viable alternatives but that doesn't create definitive answers.
And even if a god were to be described as you put it- then what is the point of worship? Even souls or some other part of you that goes on to the afterlife would be observable, defeating any purpose that the deity would have, making it a safe bet to not believe in it anyway.
If heaven resides in a different realm (alternative universe if you would) it would necessarily be observable to us meaning souls wouldn't either. They don't have to be observable to exist, they have to be observable to be likely but not exist.
I never claimed that the communities were positive
Ah but they are, again it is the reason most people are religious. Social interaction is an inherent to human nature and desire.
Very nice nickname, but numbers does not only consists of positive integers he also has symbols in his name.
Pi is the most important part though;
Maybe latter, after desert...
See.
I just thought I would clear it up why people don't want to accept it.
It doesn't remove the possibility of supernatural occurrences and beings though.
It doesn't remove the possibility of supernatural occurrences and beings though.
Sure, it's still possible that it's doesn't exist, and is there a point investing energy into something that is likely not to reap any information or knowledge?
is there a point investing energy into something that is likely not to reap any information or knowledge?
Are you referring to religion itself or attempting to prove that god exists. Also I'm curious do you mean only scientific information or do you consider the humanities to give important knowledge? Just wondering.
Right, but god himself, in his true form, is said to be unobservable. I understand your point and too an extent agree but I believe the argument can still be made that science cannot provide a heck of a lot of insight into whether god exists or not. Yes it provides viable alternatives but that doesn't create definitive answers.
If there was such a god, we would have no way of knowing, which would make it pointless anyway. If said deity had even one encounter with a human, which would be needed to establish a religion, it no longer fits that description and then can be proven or disproved. The Christian god, once again, supposedly has many significant and obvious miracles, not exactly the ninja god you are describing.
If heaven resides in a different realm (alternative universe if you would) it would necessarily be observable to us meaning souls wouldn't either. They don't have to be observable to exist, they have to be observable to be likely but not exist.
Impossible, they would have to have some link to the brain, which would be observable. And that also brings the problem of brain damage and brain death, a hit to the head alters your personality which in many regions would then alter the soul meaning it would be forced to exist in this relm as well as being observable. And brain death- what would happen then? Your legally dead but I doubt that it would matter to the gwds. Would you go the Edward Current way and "So I guess his brain has gone to heaven?" or the more South park way "His soul is trapped, if you will"?
The Christian god, once again, supposedly has many significant and obvious miracles, not exactly the ninja god you are describing.
Generally the miracles could be passed off as coincidences or as occurrences not yet understood (a good possibility) meaning you can't say that they don't occur.
If there was such a god, we would have no way of knowing, which would make it pointless anyway. If said deity had even one encounter with a human, which would be needed to establish a religion, it no longer fits that description and then can be proven or disproved.
Not if the encounter was one outside of the sense, i.e. a feeling, a though, a dream.
Impossible, they would have to have some link to the brain, which would be observable.
Heaven is like the cloud, your soul is just chilling somewhere in you but all of you life is sent to the "servers". Ha, that's a half way decent explanation.
