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cddm95ace
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Christmas is originally a Christian holiday to celebrate Jesus's birth. Now it mainly about Santa and presents. What could be done to recenter the holiday back on Christ?

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Generally the miracles could be passed off as coincidences or as occurrences not yet understood (a good possibility) meaning you can't say that they don't occur.


How about parting the Red Sea? A global flood? Moving mountains? If Christians were able to do these things consistently rather that only in stories then that would be proof- but so far none of these things have been observable.

Not if the encounter was one outside of the sense, i.e. a feeling, a though, a dream.


A dream is observable by how your brain works, a feeling would also be in the brain or other parts of the nerves system, we would be able to scan said person and prove there was an effect.

Heaven is like the cloud, your soul is just chilling somewhere in you but all of you life is sent to the "servers". Ha, that's a half way decent explanation.


Then it would be observable, since it can be physically manipulated via blows to the head. We have the ability to cut up people while they are still alive and look for any sign of a soul, and we have so far found none.
314d1
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Frequent problem?


Somewhat.

That's like saying food isn't valuable or positive but just there. Infants die if they are given no human interaction.


Food provides necessary energy. Last I checked infants don't have religion and would not need the form of social interaction it provides- that is entirely different form.

What religion is that? Notuntilbakingisdoneianity?


I can't tell you, that would be against my religion.
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Technically, this should be "what could be done to recenter the holiday back on Odin"?


It's closer to "recenter on Mithra" as that deity had more connections with the holiday. However Odin may have been an early example of a Santa. There were stories of him flying around in a sleigh with elves handing out gifts to believers.

All I said was that of the two groups I supported the Catholics more simply because they didn't start it.


Considering the atheist billboards are a reactionary response the religions groups are the ones who started it.

First, it's sense. Second gods as described by most religious are super or hyper natural as science only concerns itself with the natural it's ignorant of what science is to claim that god could be proven true or false by it.


As soon as it's claimed that deity did something effecting reality it falls into the realm of testability. Such as the example of prayer 314d1 used.

Militant means being an unintelligible *** about your beliefs which he thoroughly wasn't,


I'm not seeing that definition.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/militant?show=0&t=1291435667
Militant
1: engaged in warfare or combat
2: aggressively active (as in a cause)

Why? Why can't something be supernatural? Because science is teh best and religion is for teh noobs?


If supernatural has to be unobservable to exist, then how it is that any better then non existence?

It doesn't make it valuable or positive- just there.


Seeing as we are social animals I would say it is a valuable thing to have. Though that doesn't mean you need the supernatural myths in order to have social interactions. In fact aren't these atheist groups actually offering social interactions for their members?
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