ForumsWEPRChristians Vs Catholics

69 10960
nichodemus
offline
nichodemus
14,991 posts
Grand Duke

Alright, I've gotten a lot of crap from people these days, who claim Catholics aren't Christians and vice versa.

How can you not be? Use your brains, Catholics are just a subset of Christianity, like Anglicans, Methodists etc.

You may not pray to Mary, but you do pray to Jesus.

Any thoughts?

  • 69 Replies
Sonatavarius
offline
Sonatavarius
1,322 posts
Farmer

the word Christian means something to the effect of "someone who follows christ... a person who follows the teachings of christ...etc..."

if catholics believe in Jesus Christ and they follow his teachings as part of their canon then based off of the definitions i have proposed that would make them Christian. unless christian means anti catholic sects now


and by the way.... catholics have different books in their bibles then do other churches. they have the Apocrypha and i'm not aware of too many other churches that have bibles with that located in the back. you might counter with... the apocrypha is a different book... but its in their canon of holy texts... so their holy texts consists of similar but different texts than other christian faiths.

plus there are others that have differing numbers of books that they adhere to in their old testaments. my intro to old testament teacher told me that... so that's all the source i have for you

all that to say... no... we don't all have the same book

nichodemus
offline
nichodemus
14,991 posts
Grand Duke

Hah, I need to shove all this in my friends' face, goodness knows what their pastors have been shoveling them.

Sonatavarius
offline
Sonatavarius
1,322 posts
Farmer

u will occasionally find crazy pastors like that... sad truth... even those that will say that a particular congregation of one type of church is better than even all of the other churches of that particular type.

nichodemus
offline
nichodemus
14,991 posts
Grand Duke

Well, recently there's been a storm when a pastor allegedly said to his Singaporean congregation that Buddhism is not a true religion.

I need clarification...what's the New and Old Testament?

MageGrayWolf
offline
MageGrayWolf
9,462 posts
Farmer

if catholics believe in Jesus Christ and they follow his teachings as part of their canon then based off of the definitions i have proposed that would make them Christian. unless christian means anti catholic sects now


Let's see.

Christian
"Christian is a person who adheres to Christianity, an Abrahamic, monotheistic religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus of Nazareth. Christians believe Jesus is the Messiah (the Christ in Greek-derived terminology) prophesied in the Hebrew Bible, and the Son of God."

Catholic
"The Church sees its mission as spreading the gospel of Christ, administering its sacraments and exercising charity."

Well if they believe in the spreading the word of Christ it would stand to reason they are a religion based on a Abrahamic monotheistic religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus. So yeah I would call them Christians.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church
Sonatavarius
offline
Sonatavarius
1,322 posts
Farmer

I need clarification...what's the New and Old Testament?


no worries.... I had a chinese exchange student once ask "who was Jesus" in either my old or new testament class...

The Christian Bible (apocrypha excluded...(catholic thing)) is separated into two halves... the defining line for the separation of these halves is the arrival of the supposed messiah (savior), son of God, Jesus Christ. The Old Testament is the compilation of the history of the Jewish people prior to Jesus arrival to the scene. The New Testament is supposedly the story of Jesus' time here on this earth and the aftermath... basically its all during/post Jesus' stint here on earth.

I hope that clarified that for you
skarl
offline
skarl
250 posts
Nomad

nichodemus, (funny, that's a name which is strongly relatet to christianity)

the old testament is the tora. the new testament are the books that are about jesus and his followers.

sorry, but if you don't know that, it's hard to discuss about the christian religion whitout knowing the basics.

nichodemus
offline
nichodemus
14,991 posts
Grand Duke

sorry, but if you don't know that, it's hard to discuss about the christian religion whitout knowing the basics.


Hey, I read up quite widely on their history, particularly the Schism and Reformation.

Yeah I just realised....my real name too, was the name of a Pope ><
skarl
offline
skarl
250 posts
Nomad

knowing about the reformation is good.

knowing what people actually believe is verry nice if you want to discuss religion. (we learn at school about rituals and religous holidays, but not about what the believers actually think. maby because that's hard to ask on a test. well then it's not weird that people question religion.)

here in holland, there are some churches with under 100 followers... the reformation had a great influence here. every village has a minimum of 3 different churches, and every village has different ones. some people have to travel more than 100 kilometers for their church! well, time to merge, I think.

logantheking
offline
logantheking
254 posts
Scribe

I believe they, and Jesus too, were Jewish, since Christianity didn't even exist back then.

Christian just means 'Christ Follower.' Many of the first converts were born Jewish but they gave up their heritage for Christ.
Also, what about the Christians in Corinth? or Thessaloníki? how about Rome?

Hey, I read up quite widely on their history, particularly the Schism and Reformation.

Good for you!
nichodemus
offline
nichodemus
14,991 posts
Grand Duke

Christian just means 'Christ Follower.' Many of the first converts were born Jewish but they gave up their heritage for Christ.
Also, what about the Christians in Corinth? or Thessaloníki? how about Rome?


What point are you making here? :/
skarl
offline
skarl
250 posts
Nomad

that for example messian jews could be called christians too.

my opinion (and as far as I know this is a fact.)

all catholics are christians, but not all christians are catholic.

MRWalker82
offline
MRWalker82
4,005 posts
Shepherd

the old testament is the tora.


Not exactly. The Torah is only the first 5 books of the Old Testament, Genesis; Exodus; Leviticus; Numbers; Deuteronomy. The Biblical Old Testament actually contains far more books than just these 5, however they are the only works which make up the Jewish holy text.
skarl
offline
skarl
250 posts
Nomad

I meant tenach. of course. I'm sorry.

(this is really emberassing.)

jroyster22
offline
jroyster22
755 posts
Peasant

I think why some christians don't believe they are catholics is just what was stated in the first comment. Catholics are a subset of Christianity. Not just in religion but in a lot of different types of businesses, lifestyles, politics, etc, people tend to distance themselves from subsets of their own kind if they no longer see fit to their morals. This is only form what i have learned and gathered through my own eyes.

Showing 16-30 of 69