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valkery
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I believe that the only truth that we are going to find about the origins of the universe are going to be from a combination of Christianity and evolution. There are so many blank or entirely wrong spots in both, that the only possible answer is that they both must be partially correct.

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Avorne
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It'd help if you spelt 'Christianity' right.

Anyway, just because there's gaps in our knowledge regarding how Evolution works - doesn't mean you should fill them with God (That's a god of the gaps argument and a big no-no).

While I'm here, and because I feel like it, I'd also like to point out that the Theory of Evolution DOES NOT deal with the origins of the Universe.

Einfach
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False Compromise:
if one does not understand a debate, it must be "fair" to split the difference, and agree on a compromise between the opinions. (But one side is very possibly wrong, and in any case one could simply suspend judgment.) Journalists often invoke this fallacy in the name of "balanced" coverage.

"Some say the sun rises in the east, some say it rises in the west; the truth lies probably somewhere in between."
Television reporters like balanced coverage so much that they may give half of their report to a view held by a small minority of the people in question. There are many possible reasons for this, some of them good. However, viewers need to be aware of this tendency.


From http://www.don-lindsay-archive.org/skeptic/arguments.html

Anyway, I'd like you to give some specific examples - namely of the:
so many blank or entirely wrong spots in both


What is the problem in Evolution. You must understand that Evolution is NEITHER a theory NOR a "fact." It is as certain as a mathematical theorem (note if you are going to comment on this statement please read the link first).
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I am going to have to point out that making bold statements like that and not providing any kind of evidence, links, or explanation kind of makes the whole conversation moot. Maybe someone out there is controlling the entire situation, but he is apparently good at staying hidden and keeping skeptics disbelieving. The problem with it all is proof, and you can make wild stabs in the dark as to what the origin of it all is and you don't really accomplish much from it.

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I believe that the only truth that we are going to find about the origins of the universe are going to be from a combination of Christianity and evolution.

First things first; the origin of the universe is not evolution, it's cosmology.
There are so many blank or entirely wrong spots in both, that the only possible answer is that they both must be partially correct.

That's like saying that because we don't know everything that there is to know about a cake's recipe, we should stop trying to find out how to properly bake that cake and instead fill half of it with the correct ingredients and half of it with [something we know doesn't belong in that cake] concrete mix.
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Actually evolution by natural selection, genetic drift, and mutation IS a fact as well as a scientific theory. In science a theory is an explanation of a subject, using laws and facts, and is the highest level of confidence science can ascribe to a topic.

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What I mean when I say that evolution is like a mathematical theorem is that it can be completely understood by looking solely at logic. This is unlike the idea of Christianity which states that God transcends everything, including our understanding - that He is so ... arcane that He cannot be understood by our inferior minds.
This is supposed to be an excuse for irrationality - we are supposed to bow down to a deity which we cannot prove, or we're going to hell. All we need is belief - faith. That's all we need... To forget our doubts and submit to presumption.

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I'll admit it, I have had my doubts that we were at one point anything like our simian cousins, however archaeological digs around the world have uncovered irrefutable proof that at one point in time humans were similar to apes.

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what velkery is saying sounds a lot like intelligent design.

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I believe that the only truth that we are going to find about the origins of the universe are going to be from a combination of Christianity and evolution. There are so many blank or entirely wrong spots in both, that the only possible answer is that they both must be partially correct.


OR you could be wrong and science is right. Wait what's that...it's been PROVEN already? But wait it's "just a theory" well gee willigers batman you've stumped me there!

Okay, my fun's over. Seriously, you're wrong. What you're saying is just mindless rambling of someone who doesn't fully grasp what evolution truly is. Furthermore saying that since nothing is certain and therefore a combination is correct is like me saying rollerblades are faster than cars because rollerblade have more wheels.
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I believe that the only truth that we are going to find about the origins of the universe are going to be from a combination of Christianity and evolution. There are so many blank or entirely wrong spots in both, that the only possible answer is that they both must be partially correct.


u b trollin

You fill gaps in with "I don't know," not with "God".
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There are so many blank or entirely wrong spots in both, that the only possible answer is that they both must be partially correct.


First off can you provide examples of these blank spots? Particularly the ones you are referring to in evolution. Second just because someone says for example, we are held to the ground by gravity and another person say no that's wrong it's because of magic gnomes holding our feet, That doesn't mean the correct answer is somewhere in between.

What I mean when I say that evolution is like a mathematical theorem is that it can be completely understood by looking solely at logic.


Sorry but evolution does not fit this. We come to the conclusion of evolution by observed facts and through experimentation.

what velkery is saying sounds a lot like intelligent design.


All intelligent design is, is a repackaged version of creationism.
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I'll admit it, I have had my doubts that we were at one point anything like our simian cousins, however archaeological digs around the world have uncovered irrefutable proof that at one point in time humans were similar to apes.


Not only were we similar, but we still are. In fact, we are so similar that we are still apes, simply a different species of ape. Homo Sapiens Sapiens (us) are a species within the cladistic group colloquially termed the 'great apes', which includes several chimpanzees, gorillas, and orangutans of family hominidae.
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I can just imagine somebody attempting to take issue with your appeal to our organic taxonomy, Walker :P

There are so many blank or entirely wrong spots in both, that the only possible answer is that they both must be partially correct.


FYI this is a restatement of the thrust of modern Christian apologetics.
MRWalker82
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I can just imagine somebody attempting to take issue with your appeal to our organic taxonomy, Walker :P


Oh I suppose the Homo sapiens elitists will guffaw at being called apes, but you can only rail against the facts so long before everyone begins to ignore you, or you hit your head hard enough against them that some sense seeps in.
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OK - you all are saying the exact same things I did in my post.

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