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To state the point of this thread early on, this thread is about the policies of Libertarianism.

Now, Libertarians generally believe everybody should have the right to their own decisions in life. They should have the right to spend their money the way they want and the like.

Now, what are Libertarians views on abortion? Is it pro-abortion? Is it anti-abortion? If it is anti-abortion, then not each and every person has the right to live their lives the way they should.

This is NOT a thread to state your beliefs and opinions over abortion, but to rather answer the question if anti-abortion goes along with Libertarian beliefs.

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Einfach
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Libertarians generally believe everybody should have the right to their own decisions in life. They should have the right to spend their money the way they want and the like.

This is true, but remember there are shades of Libertarianism. Such is the case with this. The most extreme Libertarians will tell you that for the government to outlaw abortion, they would be using coercion to prevent a person from doing what they want. So it should be lega.
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The most extreme Libertarians will tell you that for the government to outlaw abortion, they would be using coercion to prevent a person from doing what they want. So it should be legal.


If they were the most extreme, wouldn't that be border anarchy?

Anyway, if Libertarianism dictates that the government limits very little things, then why is abortion illegal? What harm does it serve? If they allow companies to hide money and step on the poor, doesn't that do more damage to people than abortion?

I am not even Libertarian and I support abortion. Isn't it kind of flip flopped?

Socialists are very strict when it comes to money and taxes, but very loose when it comes to personal freedoms.

Libertarians are very loose when it comes to money and taxes, but very strict when it comes to personal freedoms.

When Libertarians mean more freedoms, do they mean more freedoms only when it comes to money? When Socialists say they want high taxes, do they also imply that it balances out with many personal freedoms?
Einfach
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wouldn't that be border anarchy?

Yeah - or Night Watchman state (me).
but very strict when it comes to personal freedoms.

No - we're the biggest proponents of personal freedom. It's even in our name - Libert-arian.
When Libertarians mean more freedoms, do they mean more freedoms only when it comes to money?

No - we mean freedom in general. The ideal state, many Libertarians claim, offers the greatest amount of freedom possible.

And you may have misinterpreted my idea - some Libertarians don't believe abortion should be legal, but...
1. They're not really Libertarians.
2. They're a minority.
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No - we're the biggest proponents of personal freedom. It's even in our name - Libert-arian.


But if you are not allowed to abort an unborn child, then how does that support personal freedom? It should be the woman's right to abortion.

No - we mean freedom in general. The ideal state, many Libertarians claim, offers the greatest amount of freedom possible.

And you may have misinterpreted my idea - some Libertarians don't believe abortion should be legal, but...
1. They're not really Libertarians.
2. They're a minority.


So Libertarians generally support abortion?
Einfach
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So Libertarians generally support abortion?

Absolutely.
Kevin4762
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Absolutely.


Thank you. So Libertarians and Democrats both support abortion, and Republicans don't? Then why do people consider Libertarians like more extreme Republicans?
Einfach
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Then why do people consider Libertarians like more extreme Republicans?

I have never considered it this way.

Extreme Republicans are always depicted as the God-crazy self-righteous Christian middle-aged white man, if I am correct.
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have never considered it this way.

Extreme Republicans are always depicted as the God-crazy self-righteous Christian middle-aged white man, if I am correct.


Isn't the Tea Party basically overcoming the Republican-Conservative ideals? Many people consider the Tea Party Libertarians, actually.
Einfach
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Many people consider the Tea Party Libertarians, actually.

They're the weaker form of Libertarian, without the capital L. :P
Kevin4762
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Perhaps I should've clarified. People think the Tea Party is really just comprised of Libertarians.

Einfach
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People think the Tea Party is really just comprised of Libertarians.

Then there are an awful lot more libertarians than I thought there were
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Anyway, if Libertarianism dictates that the government limits very little things, then why is abortion illegal? What harm does it serve? If they allow companies to hide money and step on the poor, doesn't that do more damage to people than abortion?


Please don't poison the well. Thank you.

Socialists are very strict when it comes to money and taxes, but very loose when it comes to personal freedoms.


Well, no. Socialism applies only to economics. This is also true with communism and capitalism. There are many different types of socialists, communists, and capitalists. Some capitalists are conservative while others are liberal, libertarian, or statist. The same is relatively true for communism and socialism. Some communists and socialists believe that there should be tight restrictions on personal freedoms, while others believe in loose restrictions.

Libertarians are very loose when it comes to money and taxes, but very strict when it comes to personal freedoms.


1. You can't really compare libertarians to socialists because they are at two different levels.

2. What you said is absolutely untrue.

Under the capitalist system, you basically have conservatives, liberals, statists, and libertarians.

In a nutshell:

Liberals - Big government restrictions; little personal restrictions

Conservatives - Little government restrictions; big personal restrictions

Statists - Big government and personal restrictions

Libertarians - Little government and personal restrictions

The problem is that many statist politicians call themselves liberals as well as conservatives. The main differences between them are their views on social programs and taxes.

When it comes to regular people, most who consider themselves conservatives really do hold conservative views. This is not necessarily true with liberals. Many people who consider themselves liberals are the real thing while others are statists.

There's a trick to telling apart a person who really is a liberal from a statist calling themselves a liberal. A liberal wants government restrictions and personal freedoms. A statist will tell you that governments need restricted, and they will also tell you that it's the government's job to protect the people no matter what (by limiting personal freedoms).

Libertarians generally believe in little government restrictions in general. Some liberals do falsely consider themselves to be libertarians though.

I hope this clears some confusion as to what a libertarian is and isn't as well as liberals, conservatives, and statists.

Now, what are Libertarians views on abortion?


Libertarians, as Einfach has already mentioned, have many different opinions. Although libertarians generally support little government restriction, many believe that the state should have the final say. Some libertarians believe only marijuana and other light illegal drugs should be legalized, while others believe all drugs should be legalized.

One thing most libertarians will agree on, though, is that the federal government should have very little power. Most libertarians believe that if there's going to be a law, it should be at a state level with very few exceptions.

Your general libertarian would want abortion laws to be at a state level, not a federal one. Pro-Life libertarians would ideally fight to keep abortion illegal at a state level, not a federal level.

But if you are not allowed to abort an unborn child, then how does that support personal freedom? It should be the woman's right to abortion.


Libertarians do believe in freedom, but they also believe in the protection of property and life. Abortion is considered immoral because many people see abortion as taking an innocent human life.
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I think the issue of confusion here regarding abortion and libertarians is that you are attempting to mix political principles with religious/moral ones.

In fact, morality doesn't come into it. I've never heard of a pro lifer who was non religious come to think of it.

Politically there is no reason why abortion legislation does not fit in with a libertarian outlook. The only reason you think it does is because you are from America, where there is religious influence on politics unique to the rest of the Western world.

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Well people have there opinions. some are pro, some are con. Many people have a religion/ political point of view and somethings in that POV they dont agree with so honestly, it depends on the person.

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Noname, but if Libertarians, like you said, believe in restricting abortion, than doesn't that mean they are not being granted the freedom to abort their unborn child?

I mean Socialists, like you said, believe in many personal restrictions yet most of them believe abortion is up to the woman. Doesn't that go against what you said?

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