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Kevin4762
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I will try to gain some perspective and argue that education should be privatized.

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samy
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But you wouldn't be paying for them, because the education would be privatized.


I'm assuming here that the individual would, at some point in his life, be part of a government supported welfare program. I don't want to pay for someone who isn't schooled, who's children will not be schooled because they weren't schooled and so on. It's a vicious cycle.
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I'm assuming here that the individual would, at some point in his life, be part of a government supported welfare program. I don't want to pay for someone who isn't schooled, who's children will not be schooled because they weren't schooled and so on. It's a vicious cycle.


Well that's why I'm against welfare programs as a whole.

It's poor because we shouldn't waste our money on it anyway.


The reason our education is so poor is a mixture of reasons. One of which is that, it's run by the government. Another is that people don't really keep education as a priority.
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During the Industrial Revolution, many children didn't get an education and our economy boomed.


Correct, but not all situations are socially applicable to today. The economy boomed because the majority of the population could find work in factories which required them to have little or no education, today jobs like that are much harder to come by.

Also, I'm fairly sure there was a huge discrepancy in who was actually earning the money; a high GDP is pointless if 1/3 of the countries resources are controlled by the top 1%.

It's poor because we shouldn't waste our money on it anyway.


I know you're trying to gain a different perceptive but that isn't an actual argument.

A high school degree doesn't get you anywhere anyway.


Wrong, a worker with a high-school degree earns on average $7,000-$10,000 more per year than a non graduate, continue that idea on and every higher degree is equivalent to more income; and it's impossible to progress to a higher degreewith out a High School degree or a GED.

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samy
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One of which is that, it's run by the government.


Can you give me any examples to back that up?

Well that's why I'm against welfare programs as a whole.


Right, well this is assuming that only education is privatized not that social welfare programs are discontinued so my argument still stands.
Kevin4762
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Correct, but not all situations are socially applicable to today. The economy boomed because the majority of the population could find work in factories which required them to have little or no education, today jobs like that are much harder to come by.


If education we was privatized, we could go back to working in large factories.

Also, I'm fairly sure there was a huge discrepancy in who was actually earning the money; a high GDP is pointless if 1/3 of the countries resources are controlled by the top 1%.


How is it pointless?

I know you're trying to gain a different perceptive but that isn't an actual argument.


How so? That's like me spending money on something that is bound to fail anyway.

Wrong, a worker with a high-school degree earns on average $7,000-$10,000 more per year than a non graduate, continue that idea on and every higher degree is equivalent to more income; and it's impossible to progress to a higher degreewith out a High School degree or a GED.


What jobs can you earn today with a high school diploma?
samy
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f education we was privatized, we could go back to working in large factories.


It might be time for you to stop trying, you sound more sarcastic than serious :P

How is it pointless?


Countries shouldn't be judged by the total economic output but by how the worst off citizens are treated, if the wealth is in the hands of the few it does few people any good.

What jobs can you earn today with a high school diploma?


It doesn't matter, I've already given you the economic advantages to having a degree.
Kevin4762
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It might be time for you to stop trying, you sound more sarcastic than serious :P


Yeah, I know I failed.

Countries shouldn't be judged by the total economic output but by how the worst off citizens are treated, if the wealth is in the hands of the few it does few people any good.


I agree.

It doesn't matter, I've already given you the economic advantages to having a degree.


True.
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What's the problem with having dumb people in a society?


Heard of the movie Idiocracy?

If education we was privatized, we could go back to working in large factories.


True. However do you know what caused the great depression? Rather than an economic downturn, it was simply too much supply and little demand, all the money was controlled by a small group of people, and they held on to it, eventually leading to a crash. Your proposal would lead to the same.


Now to address the OP:

Public education predates the constitution, Land Ordinance of 1785.
Privatizing it would have major effects on not only the literacy rate, but our own economy to a lesser degree.

Currently private education has enormous costs, on occasion there are high schools which cost more per year than some colleges. To privatize all education would result in exorbitant prices for education, resulting in the money going to a select few causing a recession. Granted competition amongst various schools would lower prices, but now by enough, there are only so many teachers in the country and once a school hired the best that money could buy, a pseudo-monopoly would be established, negating all attempts at competition.
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Yeah, those public schools offer better education than private schools anyway! No child left behind was a blessing!

Kyouzou
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Your sarcasm is noted. Have you considered sharing a reason why with us?

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is importent? Anything more? Oh yeah.. the United States is falling behind the Asian countires because of Summer Vacation.

I am a great supporter of year round schools. The idea of year round schools is that there is no summer vacation. That may sound bad, but read on.

Instead of 3 smaller breaks 1-2 week breaks (Spring Break, Winter Break, Thanksgicing Break) and one HUGE 11 week break, (Summer Vacation) there is 4 Medium sized breaks, four 4-5 week breaks.

This way students dont forget everything over Summer Vacation, and we dont spend an additional 2 moths reviewing. This way, there are more breaks so students dont start to miss school, too.

This is by far a way better solution for American education, and I think that we should talk to congress about it. Summer Vacation is too long, and even though some students wont admit it, they start to miss their friends by the last month.

Kevin4762
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is importent? Anything more? Oh yeah.. the United States is falling behind the Asian countires because of Summer Vacation.

I am a great supporter of year round schools. The idea of year round schools is that there is no summer vacation. That may sound bad, but read on.

Instead of 3 smaller breaks 1-2 week breaks (Spring Break, Winter Break, Thanksgicing Break) and one HUGE 11 week break, (Summer Vacation) there is 4 Medium sized breaks, four 4-5 week breaks.

This way students dont forget everything over Summer Vacation, and we dont spend an additional 2 moths reviewing. This way, there are more breaks so students dont start to miss school, too.

This is by far a way better solution for American education, and I think that we should talk to congress about it. Summer Vacation is too long, and even though some students wont admit it, they start to miss their friends by the last month.


What would be better is 8-12 AM school times and a three week break after every twelve weeks (half of each semester)

Schools don't have to provide lunch so less is spent, children have more time to enjoy their childhood, and there is four periods a day, for one hour. Now if there are eight subjects, they would have to alternate.

Another thing would be that after eighth grade, you have to take a high school entrance exam to determine if you will stay.
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Schools don't have to provide lunch so less is spent, children have more time to enjoy their childhood, and there is four periods a day, for one hour. Now if there are eight subjects, they would have to alternate.


What about poor children who rely on school lunch programs to get fed? This would certainly put pressure on food stamps and other welfare programs. Most people work 8 hours a day, their children would be awfully lonely for a long time if they can't afford babysitters.
Kevin4762
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What about poor children who rely on school lunch programs to get fed? This would certainly put pressure on food stamps and other welfare programs. Most people work 8 hours a day, their children would be awfully lonely for a long time if they can't afford babysitters.


Actually school lunch costs more for me. It costs $3 a day and that's $15 a week. A pack of sliced roast beef and pastrami, plus mayonnaise, and a large pack of sliced bread costs a total of $12 a week.

I only get school lunch because they had a lottery during every freshman year to determine who has free lunch for the rest of high school. I get free for four years so why not take it?
Kyouzou
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Ah but Kevin are you on food stamps? At my school a student who's applied for the support can get a decent breakfast and lunch for a dollar, each.

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