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PracticalManiac
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It's funny how your almost never born atheist, you become atheist. I personally think the whole religion thing is far fetched. Why cant we just be dead after we die? Why does there HAVE to be an afterlife? Dont get me wrong i respect others decisions, I just don't believe in it, who's with me? I'm going to be some grass fertilizer one day And home to some maggots + worms.

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Avorne
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newborn children, having never heard of God before, are de facto atheists â" this is referred to as "implicit atheism"


And since that's what the internet says - it obviously must be true.
qwerty1011
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newborn children, having never heard of God before, are de facto atheists" this is referred to as "implicit atheism"

And since that's what the internet says - it obviously must be true.


But I say they are agnostics and I said this on the internet. So there
MageGrayWolf
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But what atheism, or at least what I consider atheism, is is having decided that God does not exist.


Atheism is just lack of belief in a god. Whether that lack of believe be a positive decision or not makes no difference.

But I say they are agnostics and I said this on the internet. So there


Agnostic only deals with knowledge not belief, so what do babies believe in regard to a deity?
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There is no point using the terms "Atheist" and "Agnostic" in this argument. Because really speaking they are too strict on a baby. A baby, quite surely, has no idea of a higher-deity until they are taught as such. They've no knowledge of it, and no belief in it, it should be explained as such - not as if they're on the "Theist" or "Atheist" side of the fence. The choice should be left to them when they've been made aware of both sides and are old enough to pick for themselves.

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MageGrayWolf
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There is no point using the terms "Atheist" and "Agnostic" in this argument. Because really speaking they are too strict on a baby.


he terms aren't strict at all. if you lack knowledge of spiritual things your an agnostic. If you lack belief in a deity your an atheist. How or why makes no difference.
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Well technically the only people to whom this doesnt's apply to are the jewish. Because it's a race too. But even a jewish child can change their belifes as they grow.

MageGrayWolf
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Well technically the only people to whom this doesnt's apply to are the jewish. Because it's a race too. But even a jewish child can change their belifes as they grow.


A Jewish atheist.

http://www.youtube.com/user/TheTruePooka
dair5
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Mage, i mean that they're born jewish. and i said

even a jewish child can change their belifes as they grow
MageGrayWolf
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Mage, i mean that they're born jewish. and i said


In the sense of belief even a Jewish born baby is an atheist.
dair5
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(sigh). Yes Mage the baby is born Atheist. But does it matter since the baby is born without almost any knowledge of anything?

dair5
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What? no of course not. If anything a person with mental disabilitysshould go to heaven without question. What sin could they commit. they might not have even understood what they did was wrong.

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What? no of course not. If anything a person with mental disabilitysshould go to heaven without question.


So why wouldn't your god just give everyone mental disabilities, so everyone could go to heaven?

What sin could they commit. they might not have even understood what they did was wrong


Soo... Adam and Eve ring a bell here?
dair5
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1. if we were all mentaly disabled our species would be slaughtered by other animals and we wouldn't have free will.

2. Adam and Eve knew it was wrong. God Specificly told them so. Besides it's a story of how they thought the first people were made. it's not a commpleatly accurate historical lesson. the point is to get the moral.

314d1
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1. if we were all mentaly disabled our species would be slaughtered by other animals and we wouldn't have free will.


Not if the deity protected us, as he claims to do. And if that somehow takes away free will, then why does he find it OK to give this curse to a few?

2. Adam and Eve knew it was wrong. God Specificly told them so. Besides it's a story of how they thought the first people were made. it's not a commpleatly accurate historical lesson. the point is to get the moral.


Adam and Eve would not know that not following what god said was wrong. And what is the moral? "DO WHAT I TELL YOU OR DIE!"
dair5
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And what is the moral? "DO WHAT I TELL YOU OR DIE!"


Did Adam and Eve die? Besides it's not like God said not to eat the fruit just because. After eating the fruit something bad happened. It's like the speed limit law. Most people think it's there just because, but it's not. 30 is the limit because a kid hit at 40 has a 80% chance of death. At 30 they have a 70% chance of life.
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