I was just about to go to sleep so I was taking my nightly dump where I do a lot of reflecting.
I started a thread a couple days ago called about atheism and it started a debate. I myself am a die hard atheist but I was just wondering is religion even all that bad?
I mean maybe some people just need that cushion, maybe they cant accept their fates? I would like to hear from you why religion is so bad. Is it halting progression? Is it dumbing us down, what do you have to say?
in a way religion is bad because it has slolwed down thevancement of science, especialy christianity,
bhudism made to many young people become a monk leaving their parent who after some year couldn't feed theirself anymore and the monks themself also had nothing because monks do not work.
it was somewhere around 800-1200 but i have to seek it for the rest.
also is the islam keeping the world back on a more political way. by wanting to force their believes in the governments law.
(like always it's not always like this i hope people understand i use the general terms to shorten the post)(pff always have to keep up whit few that go all angry)
Religion is great. People get to believe in something that will guide their lives and gives them a sense of purpose. However, it is when people twist the words of religion that it becomes awful. Think of Hitler. He convinced some people to join in by claiming that the Jews killed Jesus, so they should kill the Jews. Not an exact quote, not many people needed to hear this, but it was a propaganda method.
Of course religion is bad! Look at all the deaths it has caused! All the wars! All the lies, treachery, and obesity!! I blame God. (he created us after all, right? He made it all happen!)
Religion is great. People get to believe in something that will guide their lives and gives them a sense of purpose. However, it is when people twist the words of religion that it becomes awful.
You mean guidance like where the Bible tells you what to do with a rebellious son?
Deuteronomy 21:18-21, King James Version:
18If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them: 19Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place;
20And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard.
21And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.
Or what a woman should do if they are *****?
Deuteronomy 22: 28-29, New International Version:
28 If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, 29 he shall pay her father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.
You mean a sense of purpose to be a slave to God? Just as it says a slave to another human should do? (not to mention the condonement of slavery)
Ephesians 6:5, New International Version:
5 Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ.
1 Timothy 6:1-2, New International Version:
1 All who are under the yoke of slavery should consider their masters worthy of full respect, so that Godâs name and our teaching may not be slandered. 2 Those who have believing masters should not show them disrespect just because they are fellow believers. Instead, they should serve them even better because their masters are dear to them as fellow believers and are devoted to the welfare[a] of their slaves.
Luke 12:47-48, New International Version:
47 âThe servant who knows the masterâs will and does not get ready or does not do what the master wants will be beaten with many blows. 48 But the one who does not know and does things deserving punishment will be beaten with few blows. From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded; and from the one who has been entrusted with much, much more will be asked.
Nothing twisting around here, that's what it says.
Of course religion is bad! Look at all the deaths it has caused! All the wars! All the lies, treachery, and obesity!! I blame God. (he created us after all, right? He made it all happen!)
I don't think religion is to blame for a lot of that. You can be religious and be a perfectly nice person, who respects others, is a pacifist, ect... Or you can be a religious person who is a really terrible person. Honestly I think people tend to use religion to justify their inability to tolerate others and as an excuse to the things they do. I had a conversation with my friends about gay marriage. And at first they told me they thought it was nasty, unnatural, and after I proved them wrong they said it was wrong because god said so. In this case it is obvious that people are in most general cases naturally that way. Intolerant, and various other things, and they will try to make up excuses for their problems. Religion just happens to be used as an excuse and is not itself evil.
Intolerant, and various other things, and they will try to make up excuses for their problems. Religion just happens to be used as an excuse and is not itself evil.
I was about to say the same thing but you beat me to it.
Nothing twisting around here, that's what it says.
It's accepted that there's a dividing line at Jesus of what was laws of the past made to suit the ancient times and what is meant for us. Christians in the new times are to be Christ-like and follow that example. If you can find some scripture where Jesus himself did bad things, then we'll talk.
It's accepted that there's a dividing line at Jesus of what was laws of the past made to suit the ancient times and what is meant for us.
That argument doesn't work in the least. First off Jesus himself said he wasn't there to abolish such laws but fulfill them. Second if such laws are over written there would be no point in keeping them around in the book. Third we often see the Old Testament rules cited today by Christians, it is just more of a pick and choose sort of thing most of the time. Fourth if you didn't notice some of the bad stuff I was citing there comes from the New Testament. Finally it really doesn't matter, the bad things in the Old Testament were things God did/demanded. So even if there is a dividing line we still can't ignore how these things were reprehensible actions.
"a priest rapes a choirboy. the choirboy becomes depressed and traumatized, rejects jesus and the church (understandably), turns to drugs, dies young and spends an eternity in hell, unsaved and condemned by god.
the priest repents on his deathbed, embraces christ, is forgiven and spends forever in heaven.
by what measure can we consider this to be justice?"
You're slowly pacing this into a flamewar. Bring more content of your own (as in what YOU say) to the discussion to carry from this otherwise you'll likely only pull hate.
I think Religion is good but along as you dont take it too far. Like some examples. Teenages are ending their lives because of bullyside, and where this comes from is the bible. Other stuff like a gay couple cant get marride. I think if you follow Religion it keeps you in the stone ages/
