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thepyro222
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I grew up atheist for 16 years. I had always kept an open mind towards religion, but never really felt a need to believe in it. My sister started going to a Wednesday night children's program at a church. Eventually, I was dragged into a Christmas Eve service. Scoffing, I reluctantly went, assuming that this was going to be a load of crap, but when I went, I felt something. Something that I've never felt before. I felt a sense of empowerment and a sense of calling. Jesus called upon my soul, just like he did with his disciples. he wanted me to follow him. Now, my life is being lived for Christ. He died on the cross for my sins, and the sins of everyone who believes in him. He was beaten, brutalized, struck with a whip 39 times, made to carry a cross up to the stage of his death. This I believe to be true, and I can never repay him for what he has done.
I still have my struggles with Christianity, but I've found this bit of information most useful. Religion is not comprehensible in the human mind, because we cannot comprehend the idea of a perfect and supreme being, a God, but we can believe it in our heart, and that's the idea of faith. Faith is, even though everything rides against me believing in Jesus, I still believe in him because I know that it's true in my heart. I invite my fellow Brothers and sisters of the LORD to talk about how Jesus has helped you in your life. No atheists and no insults please

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Jake297
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They get in your face, visit your house, threaten you with eternal torture, tell you you're wrong, and get mad when you tell them to leave. Big whoop. "Let's all go crying to mommy and tell on them".

Kasic
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Big whoop. "Let's all go crying to mommy and tell on them".


Okay then. So you wouldn't mind Atheists coming to your house and trying to shove pamphlets onto you and tell you that you're a fool for believing in God and that you're wasting your life and that you should stop being religious? Yeah right, bull. Drop the double standards.
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Innocent? Really? We lied, we cheated, we stole, we killed, we hurt other people.....(10 minutes later) and we used the lords name in vain. Seriously, if your not going to talk about him or pray to him don't mention him.


The Biblical God has done many of these things as well.

Sorry if I'm not getting into my usually detail but my attention has become divided right now due to my GFs father possibly being bitten by a black widow.

100% with macfan.


And here is the reason I was facepalming the idea of this AOG clan "debate". We get a worthless post that other Christians just nod their heads to.
Darktroop07
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Because you have not actually read anything I posted, and he didn't read the source anyway. Why would I waste my time with something you will just ignore?

They won't respond because they can't argue with you and they couldn't find anything to try and counter you, and I read most of everything that's posted here and most of the people here are too obnoxious to read the whole thing.
And shouldn't we be thankful we don't live in medieval Europe or most of us would be burned at the stake.
And can we ever forget those indulgences when the church wanted money now can we?
Jake297
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Jesus was sacrificed at his own will. He could've spoken once and had all who oppose him burst into flame. Why did He not do that? Because He loved the people and wanted to die for them.
Okay then. So you wouldn't mind Atheists coming to your house and trying to shove pamphlets onto you and tell you that you're a fool for believing in God and that you're wasting your life and that you should stop being religious? Yeah right, bull. Drop the double standards.
Like they would do that anyway.

314d1
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mostly true. Jesus was sacrificed on the cross to pay for all of mankind's sins, so we would stop having to sacrifice sheep.


Would you kill Jesus to save sheep?

Specially when neither needed to die?

They get in your face, visit your house, threaten you with eternal torture, tell you you're wrong, and get mad when you tell them to leave. Big whoop. "Let's all go crying to mommy and tell on them".



Better yet, let us burn them forever! It is what God would do. He hates minor crimes!


Jesus was sacrificed at his own will. He could've spoken once and had all who oppose him burst into flame. Why did He not do that? Because He loved the people and wanted to die for them.


Except for all his enemies burned by him anyway? Or his father. The trinity really doesn't make any since. None of his enemies became Christian, so by this logic they go to hell...
Kasic
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Jesus was sacrificed at his own will.


Your point?

Like they would do that anyway.


That's not the point at all. IF we did that, would you be annoyed? If the answer is yes, then that means that we were being obnoxious.

Because He loved the people and wanted to die for them.


READ what we're saying.

An all loving, all knowing, all powerful God, -=COULD HAVE DERIVED THE SAME RESULT WITHOUT FURTHER BLOODSHED=-

Regardless of whether or not he wanted to die for them isn't the issue.

Sin requires a penalty,


Then God isn't all powerful or all loving if he can't just decide to sweep things under the rug and start anew.

Either the person who sins dies or a substitute dies.


And now we come round-about to why this is barbaric.
Darktroop07
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Jesus was sacrificed at his own will. He could've spoken once and had all who oppose him burst into flame. Why did He not do that? Because He loved the people and wanted to die for them.
Okay then. So you wouldn't mind Atheists coming to your house and trying to shove pamphlets onto you and tell you that you're a fool for believing in God and that you're wasting your life and that you should stop being religious? Yeah right, bull. Drop the double standards.
Like they would do that anyway.

If he could then those weren't his only options and for all we know that could have been a double right?
And your accusing atheist's of trying to make you forget about "GOD" we never even went to that topic and isn't it you guys that are trying to make us believe in this "GOD"?
314d1
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No, He would not. God is loving, but God is also holy. Holiness and sin cannot exist together, just as light and darkness cannot exist together. God will not ignore sin. Sin requires a penalty, and that penalty is death (shedding of blood). Either the person who sins dies or a substitute dies.


Wait, so your god can't do something? Then he is not omnipotent? If he is omnipotent, then he doesn't need to kill for sin. If he needs to kill for sin, then he is not omnipotent. So which is it?
Jake297
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None of his enemies became Christian

...Except the thief on the cross to His left that cursed him and later asked Jesus to ..."Remember me when Thou comest into thy kingdom..."
Kasic
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"Remember me when Thou comest into thy kingdom..."


Because it's entirely unreasonable for someone dying in a horrible way to want to have something to look forward to in something as uncertain as death.

Please respond to these points btw, I'm not going to let you change the subject.

Wait, so your god can't do something? Then he is not omnipotent? If he is omnipotent, then he doesn't need to kill for sin. If he needs to kill for sin, then he is not omnipotent. So which is it?


And now we come round-about to why this is barbaric.


That's not the point at all. IF we did that, would you be annoyed? If the answer is yes, then that means that we were being obnoxious.


Would you kill Jesus to save sheep?

Specially when neither needed to die?


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I think it's cute that you all didn't want those sheep to die in the bible.


And I think it's cute how you don't respond to any of our actual points and instead try to dodge the issue.
314d1
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...Except the thief on the cross to His left that cursed him and later asked Jesus to ..."Remember me when Thou comest into thy kingdom..."


Read the rest of my post for once. And respond to it.

Until then I will only respond to part of yours.

I think it's cute that you all didn't want those sheep to die in the bible. But their sheep, We slaughter them, then we eat them. Yum... lamb chops.


The thing is I would rather kill every sheep in the world to save one human. So why did god kill a human to save sheep? You seem to have missed my point entirely. Why would Yawheh kill Jesus to stop people from sacrificing cows and sheep?
Darktroop07
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...Except the thief on the cross to His left that cursed him and later asked Jesus to ..."Remember me when Thou comest into thy kingdom..."

Mine telling us where you found this or when you decided to make this up? cause I want to see that proof.
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And here is the reason I was facepalming the idea of this AOG clan "debate". We get a worthless post that other Christians just nod their heads to.

I would prefer he had agreed and say some more things to back up his claim.
isn't it you guys that are trying to make us believe in this "GOD"?

Yes, yes we are.
Kasic
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I would prefer he had agreed and say some more things to back up his claim.


And I would prefer that you actually responded to our posts.

Yes, yes we are.


So. You admit that you're getting in our face about God. But think that we're wrong to speak against you getting in our faces about God.

Please explain.

Oh, and, respond to our points.

Wait, so your god can't do something? Then he is not omnipotent? If he is omnipotent, then he doesn't need to kill for sin. If he needs to kill for sin, then he is not omnipotent. So which is it?

And now we come round-about to why this is barbaric.

That's not the point at all. IF we did that, would you be annoyed? If the answer is yes, then that means that we were being obnoxious.

Would you kill Jesus to save sheep?
Specially when neither needed to die?
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