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isn't it you guys that are trying to make us believe in this "GOD"?

Yes, yes we are.

My point you try to convert us yet when someone tells you "GOD" doesn't exist most Christians tell you he's everywhere and try to protect something they can't see and don't even know really exists and try to make you understand but to me all that is just BS.
So I am so thankful that I live in a Japanese community.

The thing is I would rather kill every sheep in the world to save one human. So why did god kill a human to save sheep? You seem to have missed my point entirely. Why would Yawheh kill Jesus to stop people from sacrificing cows and sheep?

Really? Let's see, Jesus died for us, he died of his own accord because he "LOVED US." Jesus wanted to save everyone.

Really? Let's see, Jesus died for us, he died of his own accord because he "LOVED US." Jesus wanted to save everyone.

We've already responded to this, respond to our responses.

Wait, so your god can't do something? Then he is not omnipotent? If he is omnipotent, then he doesn't need to kill for sin. If he needs to kill for sin, then he is not omnipotent. So which is it?

And now we come round-about to why this is barbaric.

That's not the point at all. IF we did that, would you be annoyed? If the answer is yes, then that means that we were being obnoxious.

Would you kill Jesus to save sheep?
Specially when neither needed to die?

Your logic seems to me to make little sense. The definition of "omnipotent" is "almighty or infinite in power". Why would being "infinite in power" mean that God would not require a penalty for sin? Having a penalty for sin apparently diminishes God's power?

Having infinite power means that you can do absolutely anything. But you are saying that there is something that your god can not do. If he can't do something, then he can't do everything. If he can't do everything, then he isn't omnipotent.

So is he omnipotent or not?

Really? Let's see, Jesus died for us, he died of his own accord because he "LOVED US." Jesus wanted to save everyone.

enough with the same thing I've read this in almost all the pages mind using something else other than saying he loves everyone cause last time I looked.
The church used to think like this Humans are above apes and apes are above blacks shows how racist the church was when their god was all loving right?

That's not the point at all. IF we did that, would you be annoyed? If the answer is yes, then that means that we were being obnoxious.

If we were being obnoxious we would have gone to your profile annoying you by trying to get you to believe in God all day. Eventually you would get sick of it and we would either get a ban or you would leave AG.

1). If God decides to do that, He would not be God.

Uh...

God is holy. If a holy God decides just to turn a blind eye to sin, He would not be holy.

A man robs a store.

We either let him go free, or torture him until he dies.

There's more than just two options, yay for logical fallacies!

2). "Sweeping things under the rug" doesn't make things not exist.

That's basically what God did with Jesus. He sacrificed someone who had committed no sins in order to pardon everyone.

3). "Start anew"? As in, completely and utterly destroy Satan before the Earth was created? Or completely and utterly destroy the Earth after Adam and Eve fell?

As in what happened after Jesus in that everyone wasn't automatically condemned to eternal hell.

Hardly.

So sacrificing an innocent human being isn't barbaric?

Why would being "infinite in power" mean that God would not require a penalty for sin?

Not the same issue.

If we were being obnoxious we would have gone to your profile annoying you by trying to get you to believe in God all day.

1) I said evangelists. Not you in particular.

2) Evangelists are obnoxious.

If we were being obnoxious we would have gone to your profile annoying you by trying to get you to believe in God all day. Eventually you would get sick of it and we would either get a ban or you would leave AG.

Sadly I think their have been cases like this and worst case scenario is an IP ban.

The church used to think like this Humans are above apes and apes are above blacks shows how racist the church was when their god was all loving right?

Did the church back then twist the words in the bible? Yes.
Were they power hungry? Yes.
Do they seem christian like? No.

Did the church back then twist the words in the bible? Yes.

So how can you trust the Bible? How can you even know that the Church just didn't make it all up?

Were they power hungry? Yes

Were they corrupt? Yes. So how can you trust the Bible?

Do they seem christian like? No.

I hear this a lot. "They aren't christian like" "that's not a christian thing to do."

This is a non-argument. What you consider Christian-like has no bearing on their actual actions or claims.

Did the church back then twist the words in the bible? Yes.
Were they power hungry? Yes.
Do they seem christian like? No.

So you're saying the church isn't perfect there-forth if the churches teachings are wrong and the church uses the bible then we must interpret that the bible is wrong as well more or else what you just said.
And please respond to kasic's post's

Did the church back then twist the words in the bible? Yes.

Isn't that what you are doing? Or have you stoned someone lately?

You are twisting the words of the Bible. You are just twisting them to fit modern purposes.

Do they seem christian like? No.

Fallacy. Yay. This one is called "The no true Scotsman" fallacy.

I'm sorry, but I'm having a bit of trouble trying to answer questions that keep coming up and frankly I'm doing this when my head feels like it is gonna split.

A headache then maybe you should get off the computer.
and yeah it would be nice if their where more people here to support you.
and I have a question what would be a more prosperous country one with pure christian's or one with pure atheist's?

That's basically what God did with Jesus. He sacrificed someone who had committed no sins in order to pardon everyone.

There was suppossed to be someone who doesn't sin be sacrificed.

So sacrificing an innocent human being isn't barbaric?

Jesus did it of his own accord.

We either let him go free, or torture him until he dies.

In the past, if a man steals he gets stoned to death. It's not torture it's meant to kill the person for his misdeeds.

Oh great! My dad saw my last post and now he say I have to stop if my head is spinning. Wish I hadn't mentioned that I was having a headache.

Jesus did it of his own accord.

Sacrificing yourself is not barbaric? So all those people with cinide in the coolaid where justified then?

Oh great! My dad saw my last post and now he say I have to stop if my head is spinning. Wish I hadn't mentioned that I was having a headache.

You really shouldn't have been posting then...