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thepyro222
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I grew up atheist for 16 years. I had always kept an open mind towards religion, but never really felt a need to believe in it. My sister started going to a Wednesday night children's program at a church. Eventually, I was dragged into a Christmas Eve service. Scoffing, I reluctantly went, assuming that this was going to be a load of crap, but when I went, I felt something. Something that I've never felt before. I felt a sense of empowerment and a sense of calling. Jesus called upon my soul, just like he did with his disciples. he wanted me to follow him. Now, my life is being lived for Christ. He died on the cross for my sins, and the sins of everyone who believes in him. He was beaten, brutalized, struck with a whip 39 times, made to carry a cross up to the stage of his death. This I believe to be true, and I can never repay him for what he has done.
I still have my struggles with Christianity, but I've found this bit of information most useful. Religion is not comprehensible in the human mind, because we cannot comprehend the idea of a perfect and supreme being, a God, but we can believe it in our heart, and that's the idea of faith. Faith is, even though everything rides against me believing in Jesus, I still believe in him because I know that it's true in my heart. I invite my fellow Brothers and sisters of the LORD to talk about how Jesus has helped you in your life. No atheists and no insults please

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EmperorPalpatine
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jesuss is not from the bible! the bible end after "the says of the days" - "Chronicles"

The Hebrew word hammashi'ach, meaning messiah or annointed one, is ho khristos in Greek, which has been translated to christ.
MageGrayWolf
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jesuss is not from the bible! the bible end after "the says of the days" - "Chronicles". the "The New Testament" was was Written later.


Besides what EmperorPalpatine said the New Testament is part of the Bible. What you're thinking about is the Torah (Old Testament).
Bladerunner679
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Guy's, I think I might know a good way to disprove religion: Hermaphrodites.

in this case, I mean hermaphrodites, and other genetic defects that causes one to show qualities of both sexes.

think about it, if god did exist, he would've never made such an error in "creating us". not to mention the fact that there are species of animals that also exhibit said qualites, like the Hyena of africa. overall, I believe that this is actually very decent proof that intelligent design doesn't exist. wouldn't you agree?

-Blade

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He made us in His Image. Hmmmm.....compelling thought? He can't have Mae so many errors can He; the perfect being? Christians like to maintain that this is test the faith of believers or that God cares more for spiritual wellbeing than physical wellbeing; hence the whole array of diseases and disabilities. Sounds like a petty and vicious God who through all sorts of cruel means, tries to enforce worship of Him.

Kasic
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actually very decent proof that intelligent design doesn't exist


That, or it's very good proof of unintelligent design.

Sounds like a petty and vicious God who through all sorts of cruel means, tries to enforce worship of Him.


Pretty much. Apologetic's is BS and reading the scripture directly is BS as well. It all comes out to a malicious God, or a completely inept God, or an insane God who has no idea what's going on but somehow has all the power in the universe.

We can look at the universe and see that the claim it was designed by an "omnipotent, benevolent, and omniscient God" to be crap. (Although you can make arguments if you only include two, minus the omnipotent because that's redundant to omniscient + all powerful)
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a petty and vicious God who through all sorts of cruel means, tries to enforce worship of Him.


by doing that god is contradicting itself. he said we all have a free will. but he demands to be worshiped. not to mention all the other rules in christianity that prohibit free will.
Bladerunner679
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see, they can call retardation a test all they want, but there is no way that their god would make them to be ridiculed by his "devoted following". it doesn't make sense if they used that argument. they claim that there is only a man and a woman, but my previous statements immediately disprove christian views.

-Blade

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I'm playing Devil's Advocate, but the mockery and suffering are still considered part of the test of faith.

I'm sorry, what statement?

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Guy's, I think I might know a good way to disprove religion: Hermaphrodites.

in this case, I mean hermaphrodites, and other genetic defects that causes one to show qualities of both sexes.

think about it, if god did exist, he would've never made such an error in "creating us". not to mention the fact that there are species of animals that also exhibit said qualites, like the Hyena of africa. overall, I believe that this is actually very decent proof that intelligent design doesn't exist. wouldn't you agree?

-Blade

They will give answers like these:

A hermaphrodite is a person who possesses the sexual organs of both male and female. The Bible does not address hermaphroditism. Therefore, it is difficult to ascertain doctrinally the Lord's position about them. Nevertheless, what are we to make of hermaphrodites?

God's intention of the genders is that those born males act like males and those born females act like females. But, in rare instances there are babies born with the sexual organs of both sexes. Why is this? First of all, sin is in the world and it sometimes takes its tolls on our bodies resulting in various deformities. Nevertheless, in the case of hermaphroditism, the identity of the individual is still intended by God to be one or the other. After all, God would not make someone in contradiction to His created order and purpose. This means the hermaphrodite, thought physically ambiguous, does possess an identity of one or the other. It would seem best, then, to let the hermaphrodite grow and decide with which gender to side since he/she would know his/her own identity internally. If surgery is elected to make the decision permanent by altering the body to represent one or the other gender, then that seems like a reasonable choice to make.

Second, it appears that most, if not all, hermaphrodites have a definite side they take as they develop since there is an internal genetic (XX, XY) dominance even though there is an external ambiguity. It is the internal genetic dominance that determines male and female -- even though sometimes mutations occur that leave both sexual organs. In some cases, there are hermaphrodites who are distinctly male in appearance yet have female sexual organs. There are also those who appear decidedly feminine in physical appearance yet possess male sexual organs. Either way, the genetic dominance is the gender and the person will manifest that dominance as he or she matures.(this site)


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MageGrayWolf
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They will give answers like these:


And those answers don't stand up to scrutiny.

First of all, sin is in the world and it sometimes takes its tolls on our bodies resulting in various deformities.


I've never gotten straight answer as to how a moral decision can result in such vast genetic alterations. To take a quote from family guy this is equivalent to young Peter asking "Why did the dinosaurs all die out" and getting the answer "because you touch your self". The is no correlation.

After all, God would not make someone in contradiction to His created order and purpose.


Which is again clearly false. One of the things that often get over looked with homosexuality is the structure of the brain. In homosexual male certain structures are closer to female while in homosexual females certain structures are closer to what is found in the male brain. To this respect, applied to this statement, one could literally say they are in the wrong body.

Second, it appears that most, if not all, hermaphrodites have a definite side they take as they develop since there is an internal genetic (XX, XY) dominance even though there is an external ambiguity. It is the internal genetic dominance that determines male and female -- even though sometimes mutations occur that leave both sexual organs.


Technically no what we regard as male or female in the most general of senses is the one who produce eggs. There are plenty of animals who do not use the XX/XY combinations yet would still classify as male/female.
Furthermore gender identity is far more complex then just male and female. Since this argument put forth "It would seem best, then, to let the hermaphrodite grow and decide with which gender to side since he/she would know his/her own identity internally." as our measuring tool for the gender we can have Androgyne, Genderqueer, Third gender, Transgender, Trigender and Pangender just to name a few. Or to put it more simply a quote from wiki "Gender identity does not only refer to the placing of a person into the categories male or female, but also includes the concept of interaction with society on a large scale."
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i think religion is rediculos, because every single argument for gods existence is totally floored. ther're are way to many question marks over god, miricals, ect: for any reasonable person to believe in god. also i think religion isn't nice. irrelevant of whether god exists, religion has caused so much conflict and death in the world that i would like to turn my back on religion the same way i have turned my back to gambling, racism, slavery and drugs. this is because they only can cause unpleasant violent and hurt that could be avoided otherwise. growing up with religoius family means i have witnessed first hand the damage religion has done to the world. i have come to the conclusion that if their is a all powerful god, he must be evil, and if not, it is as i suspected. but, i will tell you one thing, if god does exist and there is some kind of afterlife, god better start running now, cause when i get their, im F***ing coming for him.

MageGrayWolf
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i have come to the conclusion that if their is a all powerful god, he must be evil, and if not, it is as i suspected.


Now if we are going by what the Bible states I agree, though beyond this, (if a god existed) why couldn't this god just be completely indifferent?
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Now if we are going by what the Bible states I agree, though beyond this, (if a god existed) why couldn't this god just be completely indifferent?


BECAUSE GOD KILLED EVERYONE IN THE ARC BECASUE HE CARDS.
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BECAUSE GOD KILLED EVERYONE IN THE ARC BECASUE HE CARDS.


So...An underage caravan came in calling itself "The Ark" and god was about to sell them beer, but then he asked for ID, and they didn't have any, so he killed them all?

I can't see what you are saying.
Bladerunner679
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BECAUSE GOD KILLED EVERYONE IN THE ARC BECASUE HE CARDS.


I think he meant to say "cares".

you know, almost all of the atheists on this site have the ability to disprove that statement repeatedly, ironically using biblical references.

are you sure you want to continue?

-Blade
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