It seems to me that, during my short time here on the forums, the majority of the AG Community is Atheist. Is this just me, or is there truth to my thoughts?
Apparently I can't except both science and religon, because we all know that would be crazy?
That's the funny thing... Atheists tend to overlook the truth behind science and muck it up that a lot of it points to there actually being a God. We, as believers, (I'm saying in the religion as a whole, not partial to one religion.) can't prove anything. Most atheists want a videotape of God in heaven and anything less is complete bullcrap. If they go to this, there is no point in the debate, because they are asking for something that's impossible. But they can't prove anything either. There is no supporting evidence for the Big Bang other than some coincidental evidence. They just assume that it's the truth, and everything else is complete bullcrap and we're idiots for believing in something different. If you want scientific proof, I would look up and buy, download, pirate, i don't care what you do, but get "The Top Ten Proofs of God's Existence." The speaker proves God through science.
You are simply a fool if you wait for some confirmed sight to believe. If you are too blind to see the signs God places in front of you every day, then you are lost.
Alright, what are these signs. Please explain, because I obviously do not see them.
Maybe I felt a calling and that was enough for me
Maybe it was for you. I have never felt any such thing or anything close to it, and so to me it sounds like you were looking for something and religion fit, so you accepted it.
Apparently I can't except both science and religon, because we all know that would be crazy?
I believe that on some level, no, you cannot reconcile science and religion. It eventually comes down to, either there is a god, or there isn't, and science deals in facts, no wishes. I believe that you can be knowledgeable and accept science, but that if you do, you may say you believe in god, but your actions will not show it. For example, if you believed in god to protect you, wouldn't you never have any fear? You would be perfectly secure in knowing that your eternal soul is safe, and that any harm that may come to you or your family would only be temporary, and then you'd be eternally safe and in heaven. But yet, you take every action to preserve their lives, to fight for it, and fear losing their bodies. Explain to me why that is.
Well I know for one, it's much more that you ever 'stuck up' and presented
One point, any point. That's all I ask. What has been taken down.
Alright, what are these signs. Please explain, because I obviously do not see them.
Obviously. Kasic, this is another problem non-believers have, their inability to let go and explore their surroundings, to truly experience what life is. If you wouldn't cling to earth like a shy child, then you might receive some personal inspiration.
One point, any point. That's all I ask. What has been taken down.
I think what he means is the general pointlessness of atheist's involvement here. I mean if someone walked up to me and said that 2+2 equaled five, I wouldn't spend any time arguing with them, I'd be above it and walk away. Why do atheists waste their time arguing if they are so sure of their truth? They haven't proved God doesn't exist. They cannot.
And why is that? Science is observation. Religon is belief. They are on completely different fields.
For example, if you believed in god to protect you, wouldn't you never have any fear? You would be perfectly secure in knowing that your eternal soul is safe, and that any harm that may come to you or your family would only be temporary, and then you'd be eternally safe and in heaven. But yet, you take every action to preserve their lives, to fight for it, and fear losing their bodies. Explain to me why that is.
Because it is human nature and human nature is weak. Also, you might want to check out the martyrs because did exactly what you said people don't do
And why is that? Science is observation. Religon is belief. They are on completely different fields.
Because if religion cannot ever be observed, then it does not exist. Even according to religious texts god acts in physical ways. And yet there is no evidence for any divine physical works. At least, that aren't utterly disproven, like Noah's ark...
Also, you might want to check out the martyrs because did exactly what you said people don't do
True, but then they would be the only ones who "truly" believe. Everyone else just says they do. And again, there are people who do this for everything. If you looked long enough, I bet you could find someone who would die before giving up their empty soda can.
Again I ask, show me one thing that has been taken down by religion.
Because if religion cannot ever be observed, then it does not exist. Even according to religious texts god acts in physical ways. And yet there is no evidence for any divine physical works. At least, that aren't utterly disproven, like Noah's ark...
But yet, religon are observed. And still I say, I believe in both religon and science and the world hasn't exploded yet so whats going on here?
Again I ask, show me one thing that has been taken down by religion.
But dear sir, this would mean I would have to go through 1000s of pages OD forums posts and it would take hours if you would like to bring forward a specific example I'd be happy to explain
It is possible to get points across without such things and the only correct stereotype about either group (religious or atheist) is that they are religious or atheist.
Again I ask, show me one thing that has been taken down by religion.
It is illogical to suggest that religion can 'take down' anything about science, because science, as some will assume, is not directly contradicting to religion. Science is a study of the physical world, and if God exists, what can his religion prove wrong about the world he created? No, it is the job of 'science' to disprove God (specifically I.D.) And if they claim to attempt it, they have done a poor job.
Because if religion cannot ever be observed, then it does not exist. Even according to religious texts god acts in physical ways. And yet there is no evidence for any divine physical works. At least, that aren't utterly disproven, like Noah's ark...
Because you are looking for God in the sky to say "(insert name.) I am God. Believe in me or else I will strike you down." God gave us free will to believe what we want. I find God in the little things, because the big things don't exist. And if they did, scientists would just slap another theory together that sounds good to the average person to explain it, without really explaining it. This is why atheists who claim to know "science piss me off." They don't look at their evidence, they don't think. They're hypocrites
I have no problems with Atheists, it's totally cool with me if people don't believe, but tread on my beliefs, and that's when I get pissed off. I have a ton of friends who are atheist, I don't know why, and I really don't bother to ask, but we respect each other's beliefs. What I find maddening, and this is one of the two true sins that I have found, is attacking someone else's beliefs.
Why does everyone have to name call and stereotype? Do we really need sarcasm and direct insults on intelligence?
Atheists do, because they have no other way of truly defending themselves
It is possible to get points across without such things and the only correct stereotype about either group (religious or atheist) is that they are religious or atheist.
Alright, to avoid uber stereotyping, I will now consider those who do not care or not: 'existentialists' as would probably be closer to politically correctness, unless someone says otherwise
I want to know the truth, and if god is that truth, than my free will is that I am open and willing to accept him, if only he shows me that he is real.
And if they did, scientists would just slap another theory together that sounds good to the average person to explain it, without really explaining it.
Pyro, there are more pages of evidence, attemtps to debunk theories, and explanations of any single theory than you could read in a lifetime. They are still around because there is no instance proving them wrong, and despite all attempts to disprove, they still stand. The only "uncertain" part is that science KEEPS AN OPEN MIND and is NOT ADVERSE TO CHANGE SO LONG AS IT CAN BE PROVEN. The "Uncertainty" is that we do NOT know everything, and thus CANNOT say that this is the ABSOLUTE truth, even though it DOES currently explain EVERYTHING about that. That is NOT hypocrisy.
They don't look at their evidence, they don't think. They're hypocrites
Do you even hear yourself? There are scientists who have dedicated their lives attempting to disprove things. We DO look at our evidence. Religion is the only thing that says "This is this and no other thing is right"
What I find maddening, and this is one of the two true sins that I have found, is attacking someone else's beliefs
I have never started off attacking someone, and have never tried to attack someone for their belief, although I might get caught up in the argument. It always starts with a question, which the theist cannot/does not answer, or responds with some utterly bigoted or nonsensicle answer, and it devolves from there.
Atheists do, because they have no other way of truly defending themselves
You are one of the most insulting ones that I have seen and you just made a very obvious stereotype showing that you (a religious) resort to these methods of "discussion" as well.
I've been trying to convince people this forever... Some people just ignore strong evidence and go onto ideas for some reason. I know that contradicts my belief in God, but I don't want to get in another religious debate. I'm already running a thread similar to this...
