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WorstSniper
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Or could it just be something created by humans that's imaginary?

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master565
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Time is molecular and submolecular motion and reactions. We can influence how fast those go, but I really doubt there actually is a time axis that we could move along.


But i never said there was.
HahiHa
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So what exactly is the space-time continuum then? I guess I must have misunderstood/mixed some concepts here..

PopePiusIX
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Strong points so far:

Well there is change. If time didn't exist, change wouldn't be able to happen.

Change.
The past has already happened, and at one time, the past was the present. The present will one time be the past, and the future, which currently has yet to be, will then be the present.

Expansion on change.
It is as real as a foot in length. Being a measurement, that is pretty much all it is.

We can measure it.

Just making sure we not going off
AeneasIII
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We can measure it.

I don't think this is a valid argument, because we invented time to be able to do measurements. It's like a kg, is that real?
In Europe we measure length with meters, in America with inches en yard, so which of those is the real one? And if you would say they're both real, well, then countries can come up with their "own time".
Time is just an instrument we use to make things more structured.
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here's a quote from einstien that talks about time: "the reason for time is so that everything doesn't happen at once."

time is real, but the only way to define it is by making it into a human concept that can explain it. we don't know everything about time, or if we can warp it, but until then we must believe that it is a rigid, always forward moving entity.

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we don't know everything about time, or if we can warp it,


Yes we do know we can warp it. We even see such effects traveling into space.
master565
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So what exactly is the space-time continuum then? I guess I must have misunderstood/mixed some concepts here..


Way to complicated to explain. There are plenty of theories that use it such as Einstien theory of relativity but just check out wikipedia's page on it.
PopePiusIX
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I don't think this is a valid argument, because we invented time to be able to do measurements. It's like a kg, is that real?


I can see the logic you are using in the sense that man-made concepts are not trully existent, but in a more straightforward interpretation of measurement we are speaking of something that can be expressed as quantitative data, and hence measured for the purpose of being a relative tool to identify the chronology of change.
It's much I'd say to do with relative comparison as similarly with weight, the measurement of mass. Though I can't really identify your thought behind the unit of measurement not being real, if matter is in fact obviously a real thing we can perceive in many ways like Touch See Taste and Hear. But back to the matter of discussion the reason the question was asked was that time is quite an abstract understanding and there are various interpretations of "real", I believe. So for a while I'd just like to see how any further thoughts develop cus I feel like sticking to a more dialectic stance since this question is a very(too) classic theme.
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I don't think this is a valid argument, because we invented time to be able to do measurements. It's like a kg, is that real?
In Europe we measure length with meters, in America with inches en yard, so which of those is the real one?


Okay, there's a big difference between units of measurements and what is being measured. Yes some people use meters and some use yards to measure length, but that doesn't change the fact that length itself is a thing. We use seconds and days to measure time, but that doesn't mean time isn't real, NOR does it mean that time is a concept of ours; we measure it, but it already exists.

People don't seem to understand, there is time, and there is the space time continuum. Time is an invention by human which is based off the position of the sun. The space time continuum is what scientist call the 4th dimension.


"Time" can refer to "Time of day" or simply yo "Time" as-in the 4th dimension; nothing wrong with the way the OP phrased it. Also your proof of its existence rests on the idea that any of the physical universe truly exists, which isn't certain.

So what exactly is the space-time continuum then?


The whole 4-dimensions thing is just a means of finding the location of an event in the universe; that location will have an x-coordinate, a y-coordinate, a z-coordinate, and a time at which it took place. Don't get this confused with a 4th spacial dimension.


Whoever said the thing about change hit the nail on the head. Time is what allows things to change. You can't move from one state to another without having a before and an after, which necessitates the existence of time. Because we know that change must always be happening for us to perceive things as we do, we know with certainty that time exists.
master565
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"Time" can refer to "Time of day" or simply yo "Time" as-in the 4th dimension; nothing wrong with the way the OP phrased it.


No, but the OP along with many others on this site (this has been brought up more then once) seem to not realize that time isn't just a measurement.

Also your proof of its existence rests on the idea that any of the physical universe truly exists, which isn't certain.


Which just so happens to be completely irrelevant to the topic which is why i didn't discus it.
Programpro
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No, but the OP along with many others on this site (this has been brought up more then once) seem to not realize that time isn't just a measurement.


Oh

Which just so happens to be completely irrelevant to the topic which is why i didn't discus it.


Sorry :/

With all the relativist "it's a measurement" arguments, I guess I glossed-over and misinterpreted yours :/ Sorry. Glad we're on the same page, tho
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What exactly is time?

aah, that, my friend, cannot be answered.


yes it can.....

all time exists relative to mass and gravity and other things.
without mass time would not be able to occur


To us human beings, the physical reality appears* to be made of material objects and immaterial active phenomenon. We do perceive the reality of objects and active phenomenon through our body senses, and in return we can describe that perception of reality.
An object or an active phenomenon is real or exist on the double condition that we are able to first perceive it then describe it.

By contrast that, which doesn't exist in reality, the non-physical, can only exist in our minds! Evidently we cannot perceive through our body senses that which does not exist in reality, and as a consequence we are unable to describe that, which doesn't exist.
Mental concepts that lack physical collateral cannot be perceived physically. And our inability to describe that which doesn't exist, corroborates that non existence.

* The expression "appears to be made of" rather than "is made of" is used here because the words "made-of" and "exist" are misleading; they imply that things are "made of" matter that doesn't need time to "exist"! In the gravimotion world, which is an interpretation of Nature that departs from traditional thinking, matter's very inner-core that is the subatomic particle, doesn't "exist", but "occurs" dynamically instead!
Even though the word "exist" is belittled in gravimotion, the 2 words "exist" and "occur" are used indiscriminately in this page and elsewhere.
Here are things that we perceive, along with their description, and as such ...
which are physical or exist in reality.

Because we can touch them, material objects are physical, and exist in reality. In conjunction with that reality that does exist outside our minds, we make crystal clear mental images of material objects within our minds. And in return we can describe them.

Then in reality, unlike material objects though, there are phenomenon such as gravitation that occur and as such exist and are physical yet non-material.
Even though one cannot touch gravitation as one does material objects, and even though gravitation acts out of immaterial space, because gravitation makes objects fall, gravitation is physical.
Similarly even though one cannot grab them with one's hands, light rays are physical because they have a physical effect, light rays from the sun heat up our skin.
Both gravitation and light rays, even though non material, are physical and do exist or occur in reality because they act on matter; we clearly perceive their respective effects with our body; and in return we are able to concisely describe these effects as just done above.
Our perceptions then our descriptions of gravitation and light rays corroborate their physical existence.
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the system of those sequential relations that any event has to any other, as past, present, or future; indefinite and continuous duration regarded as that in which events succeed one another.
2.
duration regarded as belonging to the present life as distinct from the life to come or from eternity; finite duration.
3.
( sometimes initial capital letter ) a system or method of measuring or reckoning the passage of time: mean time; apparent time; Greenwich Time.


In, other words it is a method of measurement in relation to past, present and future. Now, look up the definition of past,present and future. Do they exist? yes, there is a moment that has happen and is gone, there is a moment where it is currently happening and there is a moment to come that we do not know of. "Time" is a measurement, are measurements real? yes, regardless whether or not humans created it.
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there isnt a right answer to this. it's just gonna keep on going. and going. and going. there are different sides to this, so lets just respect that and move on instead of getting in debates online that will eventually die down.

OK??

Holladay15
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there isnt a right answer to this. it's just gonna keep on going. and going. and going. there are different sides to this, so lets just respect that and move on instead of getting in debates online that will eventually die down.


Yeah, your right it is not like this is a forum for debate or to express your thought on a thread post...oh, wait it is...If, you don't feel like participating then DON'T but, other feel like participating in a thread.
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