Well, I don't think we're exactly in disagreement, so let's see if we can clarify this- I'll see if my interpretation of what you said matches your meaning.
whether you accept homosexuality really comes down to a simple matter of what your religious beliefs are.
Empirically this may seem to be the case. From what we can observe of the debate, commonly the basis of anti-homosexual sentiment has been that of divine authority. But I'm not sure this is exactly the case...
If you do not have some sort of religious belief, most of the people I have come across that are against homosexuality have foolish reasons for being against it.
Depends on what you mean by 'foolish'. If you mean they don't make much sense (for example biological arguments), then of course to me that is the case. But seeing as I'm not religious and I have my own views on interpretation of the Bible, I also find religious reasons to being anti-homosexuality to be foolish as well. Why? Because one is using divine authority to contradict some of the most fundamental principles of the Christian religion as laid out by the Gospels.
That's really arrogant. And if it genuinely isn't, it's definitely conflicted, because one has to then continuously tread a line between judging and not judging. We can quote all we like but even the devil can do that (Matthew 4:1-11, any version you like).
I personally think that it is important to read multiple versions, not least to appreciate the differing contexts in which they were compiled.
Yeah, that is jus one of the things that confuzzle me about Christianity. More too many books to understand. xP
Anyway, I think, no matter which book it is, usually in religion you can find the fine line. If, for example, in most they say its bad, but in others its shown that "Its allowed, yet unclean and not something God likes" its still nothing good. So I'd put it down as [Religously, anyway] something that your Divine Creator has asked you not to do. Alot of things are tempting, you shouldn't do them. I suppose this may be one. I also see no proof in biological arguments, so for now, I'm leaving this at where it is.
So I'd put it down as [Religously, anyway] something that your Divine Creator has asked you not to do.
Well, yes, to be entirely fair, I'm not criticising religion on the basis of having people walk the fine line between "judging and not judging". This applies to many moral codes, whether they're religious or secular. For example, from a secular (even medical) viewpoint, I would not recommend certain practices because of the risks involved that are unique to them, but at the same time I don't necessarliy dictate that "this is forbidden". That is the kind of fine line that I was talking about.
The main issue I have (drawing on personal experience) is the number of people that use the phrase "it is not of God" to justify their own sentiments in a manner I view inappropriate. But we could of course argue until the cows come home on that one, so I'll simply give an example of it.
Calm mentions that homosexuals are destroyed in the story of Sodom and Gommorah (Genesis 19:1-29). However having read multiple versions (including KJV), I do not see anything that implies that the towns were destroyed because the people were homosexual, so much as they were violent, inconsiderate people in general. So where did the popular reference to 'sodomy' come from?
I also note that Genesis 19:30-38 includes an account of incestuous relations!
@ Strop All quotations I gave were taken from the NIV version, which is currently the most up to date.
And you must be blind not to see the relation between sodom and Gommorah and homosexuality... God decided to destroy Sodom because the men of the city wanted to "have sex with them " (genesis 19 v. 5---- NIV version)
The people in Siodom commited many crimes, but it is their homosexuality that caused their wrath.
Well, actually only the Bible tells about their existence... There are no scientific proffs, and I admit it. Still, there shouldn't be as God destroyed them
I'm not on the homosexual team. Doesn't make me a bad person.
Strop, just wondering, I don't have the time to look through 85 Pages. What are your veiws on it?
Anyway, I even think blowing up a whole community or killing people as homo's is wrong. After all, we have even worse people. Its just that understanding how much to allow it is weird. If its not "Good" but still allowed, wheres the justification to it being bad? Kind of like, if there was no reason for mass murder [or if people couldn't see the reason] then.. You'd have problems.
I just believe that a common society should run under common natural rules. [And moral codes] (Under okay conditions, Iraq certainly can't go by that rule even if it wanted).
Also, I DO reject the fact that people are Homosexual just for attention. Its "RETARDED" [If anyone needs the spelling] xP
Anyway, Last but not least, The problem with it all is If its "Bad" but okay and nothin'll happen about it, its like spoling a child by instead of a little punishment, you tell them to "stop" and think everythings okay. So if it is wrong, but "Acceptable".. then wheres the fine line to it being wrong? [According to the Bible, anyway] Since, if that can't be determined, then I have half a mind to believe the world will encounter its first Sexuality War. [And at such a point in time, I would run]
