It seems most of the Christians I know and Christians in general seem to have abandoned Jewish traditions. Even more disturbing is that I find many denounce the Old Testament in whole. I have even been told that a Bible quote I was using in a religious debate didn't count because it was from the Old Testament. Why do Christians so readily abandon their Jewish origins?
By that logic they shouldn't be indoctrinating and subjecting children to their rituals.
I see your point, but I wouldn't consider a child who is yet to start thinking an atheist. Any child born to a religion is considered to be of that religion. If a Christian has a baby, that baby is considered Christian.
You may not but you have to be 18 or 21 to get tattoos legally in the US.
Religious immunity (if that's the correct term) will get you around that.
Do you really think that it's okay to tattoo a baby? Come on, that's bodily harm. Let's change the situation. My religion tells me that I have to cut of one toe of each of the baby's foot. Would that be okay? I mean, he doesn't really need 10 toes. And the baby wouldn't remember the pain, too. So what's the deal?
That's nothing dude, my culture tells me it's okay to go ahead and kill them. No big deal right?
Religious immunity (if that's the correct term) will get you around that.
I think that would have to be allowed by the state government. Its how they handle drinking alcohol for religious reasons and that would probably be worse.
You may not but you have to be 18 or 21 to get tattoos legally in the US.
I think that would have to be allowed by the state government. Its how they handle drinking alcohol for religious reasons and that would probably be worse.
I just checked this up, your info is wrong. It varies from state to state but you need to be 18 to get a tattoo without parental consent, so now the debate is, is this child abuse?
I just checked this up, your info is wrong. It varies from state to state but you need to be 18 to get a tattoo without parental consent, so now the debate is, is this child abuse?
However in those where parental consent can be given for a minor I would think it could be child abuse but would depend on the childs age. Obviously as a teenager you could make the choice, but as a younger kid it would be hard to say they know it can be extremely painful and is both expensive and painful to remove.
I just checked(maybe its changed since I last read it), there are 2 states that say 21(in one its illegal for minors to get a tattoo), and in 17 total states its illegal for minors to get a tattoo.
I said it varies from state to state.
Obviously as a teenager you could make the choice, but as a younger kid it would be hard to say they know it can be extremely painful and is both expensive and painful to remove.
Depending what age you get it, you may not even remember. If it won't affect the child later in life, afflicting non harmful pain to it at an age it can't remember anything at could be seen as okay.
I couldn't really care less what you do to your baby. I still don't really care what you do to your baby (when i say "you", i'm not talking about you grimml, just in general). I'm being completely serious. If you think the right thing to do is mutilate your child then go for it.
That leaves me speechless. It's a human being that has a consciousness and can feel pain.
I see your point, but I wouldn't consider a child who is yet to start thinking an atheist. Any child born to a religion is considered to be of that religion. If a Christian has a baby, that baby is considered Christian.
That's the problem. Like Dawkins says in his book "The God Delusion": Children should not be labelled by their parents' religion. Terms like "Catholic child" or "Muslim child" should make people cringe. You also don't say "Marxist child" or "Tory child". Every person needs to decide for himself if he wants to be Christian or Muslim or whatever. And every person has the right to decide if he wants his body to be mutiliated
Depending what age you get it, you may not even remember. If it won't affect the child later in life, afflicting non harmful pain to it at an age it can't remember anything at could be seen as okay.
The baby doesn't remember the pain but that doesn't mean that the tattoo won't affect the child. What if he has a tattoo of a pen*s on his face? Or a swastika?
That leaves me speechless. It's a human being that has a consciousness and can feel pain.
Someone is killed on the other side of the world, someone you don't know, do you cry? They are doing terrible things to children in Africa everyday, do you cry? The amount of terrorism in the Middle East is insanely high and many die everyday, do you cry? Yes it is sad what people do to other people but when I have never even heard of the person, and it happens often, then I feel the exact same I feel about Africa and the Middle East, I'm sad, but not on a personal level.
That's the problem. Like Dawkins says in his book "The God Delusion": Children should not be labelled by their parents' religion. Terms like "Catholic child" or "Muslim child" should make people cringe. You also don't say "Marxist child" or "Tory child". Every person needs to decide for himself if he wants to be Christian or Muslim or whatever. And every person has the right to decide if he wants his body to be mutiliated
That is just one man's opinion on the matter.
The baby doesn't remember the pain but that doesn't mean that the tattoo won't affect the child. What if he has a tattoo of a pen*s on his face? Or a swastika?
I said "If it won't affect the child later in life", and having a swastika tattooed on you head probably will.
Children are not born believing in deities, they are only brainwashed into it by parents or the community around them, you can't say that a baby is of a particular religion in the same way that you can't say that a baby supports the theories of Freud in relation to mental illness - they have no knowledge of the thing, they probably wouldn't have the intelligence to grasp it and understand it for themselves either.
Someone is killed on the other side of the world, someone you don't know, do you cry? They are doing terrible things to children in Africa everyday, do you cry? The amount of terrorism in the Middle East is insanely high and many die everyday, do you cry? Yes it is sad what people do to other people but when I have never even heard of the person, and it happens often, then I feel the exact same I feel about Africa and the Middle East, I'm sad, but not on a personal level.
No, I don't cry. But does that mean that I don't care for other people? No! If you can lessen the pain of other people or even safe their lifes then you should do it. Do I cry if somebody gets *****? No. Do I think that **** should be illegel? Hell yes!
That is just one man's opinion on the matter.
If you're too young to think for yourself then you shouldn't be labeld as anything.
I said "If it won't affect the child later in life", and having a swastika tattooed on you head probably will.
How do you know if something will affect the child? Doesn't circumsicion affect a child's life? (I'll give you a tip: Everything will affect the child)
Children are not born believing in deities, they are only brainwashed into it by parents or the community around them, you can't say that a baby is of a particular religion in the same way that you can't say that a baby supports the theories of Freud in relation to mental illness - they have no knowledge of the thing, they probably wouldn't have the intelligence to grasp it and understand it for themselves either.
But it's not really the parents fault, pretty much every religion tells you to have your child follow that religion, and its not uncommon for the child to stray from the religion in their teenage years. It also goes the other way around and a person willingly converts to that religion without brainwashing.
It is the parents fault though, they don't have to present their beliefs as fact to their children or raise them to believe the same as them, Mages parents didn't and neither did mine. It's fine to say things like 'Oh, they can get out of it when they're older' but by that time it's already been etched into their mind that that religion is true. A person might willingly convert to a religion, yes, but that's only when they're old enough to make that choice about whether they believe that religion or not.
It is the parents fault though, they don't have to present their beliefs as fact to their children or raise them to believe the same as them, Mages parents didn't and neither did mine. It's fine to say things like 'Oh, they can get out of it when they're older' but by that time it's already been etched into their mind that that religion is true. A person might willingly convert to a religion, yes, but that's only when they're old enough to make that choice about whether they believe that religion or not.
But people still make the choice for themselves. I personally know people who they and their brothers were raised the exact same way, and when they grew older they completely abandoned their religion.
But people still make the choice for themselves. I personally know people who they and their brothers were raised the exact same way, and when they grew older they completely abandoned their religion.
I was rushing out the door when i wrote that, I meant to say that half of the brothers abandoned their religion but the other half stayed.
