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cormyn
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Hey everyone,

In my time at Armor Games, I've seen a few new moderators come on board, and every time we promote a user to Moderator status, there's always a flurry of "why wasn't I picked?" or "I think _____ should be a Moderator" or "why is ________ still a moderator" or lots of other questions about what it really takes to be a Moderator on the site.

As of this writing, I have three comments on my profile asking for 'exact' requirements for becoming a Moderator.

I know we have information scattered around the site, but I wanted to sum up briefly a few of the core things we look for in a user in order to be nominated to become a Moderator. Hopefully this will help clear up some of the confusion.

This topic is meant to be informational in nature. I will delete any message containing text which is negative towards our current team, comments suggesting some other user be nominated, replies of "well, I guess I'll never qualify" or anything else off-topic -- even if your message contains other good ideas. This is not the place for *those* discussions.

Also, it should be obvious that this list is NOT complete, because we don't want to give away EVERY detail about what we look for in a moderator. And this list is also subject to change over time, especially when AG3 launches.

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BACKGROUND

We are obviously much more strict in our criteria than other sites, but that's only because we already have the best users out there and we want to be sure that anyone being a Moderator can follow our rules, guidelines, and get along with others.


THE PROCESS

In a nutshell, candidates are presented to the entire Moderator team, and are reviewed thoroughly by an Admin. The Moderator team decides unanimously (the exception being users who are on hiatus/holidays) on whether to accept the user or not; a negative response could either be "this user should never be a moderator" (and give reasons why) or "let's check back in 3-6 months". If an affirmative decision is made, an Admin user will Email the user asking if they'll accept the role and responsibilities. If the user accepts, the Admin user will promote them to become a probationary Moderator. We guide probationary Moderators for a little while and then release them into the wild.


HOW WE FIND USERS

There are two ways we find potential nominees.

First and foremost is by daily interactions within the forums or user profile comments. That's not to say that ONLY &quotopular" people will get nominated, but we're not likely to nominate someone that nobody really knows. We've recently passed on a half dozen users because none of us really know them as individuals. We'll start paying more attention to them now, of course.

The second method we use is a piece of software I wrote which takes some of the quantifiable criteria mentioned below and scans our database looking for users who qualify. Generally, this software finds HUNDREDS of users, and then starts disqualifying them based on other factors. Once it reports the users to me, I examine the user profiles, and then present a final list of nominees to the Moderator team. Candidates to whom the Moderator team give a definitive 'no way, never', we add to a 'skip' list so the software won't even look at them next time. There's a second "skip list" for users we want to check back on in a few months.

The last scan I did, which resulted in Freakenstein being added to the team, found almost 400 users, filtered them down to less than a dozen, and we were left with one definite 'yes' (Freakenstein), and a handful of "let's check back later" candidates (who we will not name).


SOME OF THE CRITERIA WE LOOK FOR

To be considered as a Moderator nominee, here are SOME of the things we look for. This list is not complete and is subject to change at any time without notice. We may or may not alter this forum posting to describe new or changed criteria. Also, meeting all of this criteria doesn't guarantee anything, because the rest of the Moderator team still has to vote on accepting you into our small team.

- You obviously need to have an excellent understanding of our Terms and Conditions for being on the site, and know the Rules & Guidelines for both the forums and game/user comments. And you follow them yourself.

- You need to stay up to date on things happening at Armor Games, especially with Armor Games v3 coming out later this summer. Users who have been in the beta since late last year will get extra points.

- You need to have an exceptional grasp of the English language (excellent spelling and grammar) but being fluent in one other language for support purposes may help your chances. You don't need to be an English professor, but 1337-speaking / textmsg writing styles, or writing styles which are difficult to read/understand will disqualify you.

- You need to be able to take criticism, from Admins, other Moderators, and especially other users. And you need to humbly accept this criticism when it's "constructive", or learn when it's "destructive" and deal with it accordingly without losing your cool.

- You need to be at LEAST 18 years of age; if you don't share your birth date on your profile (at least the year and month), you'll never even show up on our radar. And we have backups of our user data, so don't go changing your profile birth date trying to cheat the system -- we'll ask for proof.

- You need to have been an active, consistent member of the site for a minimum of 12-18 months. Big gaps in your login/posting history will generally reset this timer.

- You must be a genuinely helpful person within several forums. We watch where you post, how frequently you post, how many times you've posted in each forum, whether you're posting just to jump in on the conversation or genuinely getting involved in the topic, etc.

- We look for well-rounded users who also have good communication via user comments, but not to an excessive (spammy) degree. As such, users who carry on really long conversations back and forth (technically against our rules) will probably get passed on.

- We look for a minimum participation level from forum posts AND user comments. We need to see that you don't just focus on one type of commenting. Obviously we won't quantify these "minimum" values, because we don't want users trying to cheat the system.

- We look for a minimum number of rated games and game comments, and *recent* game ratings and comments, because we need to know you're actually playing the games and having fun too, not just hanging out in the forums 95% of the time. If you never participate in game comments, how will you recognize bad game comments versus merit-worthy comments?

- You must not have excessive quantities of user/game comments removed as spam. "Excessive" is subjective, but we can see how many comments you've had deleted, and we weigh that as a ratio against your remaining active comments.

- Generally, we tell users that even a single temporary ban will disqualify you. A temp-ban for flaming, spamming, harassment, fighting, racial comments, excessive swearing, or blatant rule breaking like hacking will certainly disqualify you. But if the temp-ban happened a long time ago (more than a year and a half), while we never "expunge" them from your history, we may treat them lighter than if your temp-ban was more recent.


WHAT DO WE EXPECT FROM OUR MODERATORS

New Moderators will start out working on cleaning up game comments and forum posts, and looking for merit-worthy game comments. They'll also continue to be helpful in the forums and via user comments to offer help and support, making sure other users are aware of the rules of the web site (and follow them).

We understand that life throws a curve-ball now and then, and while we certainly don't expect Moderators to be on the site every single day, we do expect that you're on the site several times per week. We also expect Moderators to take a break/holiday from time to time. This isn't a paid job, you're doing it for free, so don't feel guilty if you need to step away for a little while. Excessive absences may get you demoted back to regular user status.

And of course, you can always turn us down if you don't want to be on the team, and you can leave the team at any time as well.

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Hopefully that helps clear up some of the confusion about what kind of users we look for as Moderators.

Let the discussion begin.

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Gantic
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Is this something that causes the stress? There must be dozens of Bobs out there.


Yes, because it's a waste of time dealing with people like that.

I can't even write a "merit" because of the number of spam messages produced here.


I'm not going to correct the premise this is based on, only let you know that it is wrong.
Skeleton_Pilot
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Why can't Bob just be ignored after it's explained to him why his posts have been deleted? If he does insult you on a personal level, he's obviously just doing it for a reaction, and he won't get the satisfaction he seeks if you don't provide it!

pangtongshu
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[/quote]Why can't Bob just be ignored after it's explained to him why his posts have been deleted? If he does insult you on a personal level, he's obviously just doing it for a reaction, and he won't get the satisfaction he seeks if you don't provide it![quote]

I would imagine it would be because if Bob has the gull to insult a Mod on a personal level, he most likely might do so to other users too, which is something that would need to be dealt with

pangtongshu
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Huh...that's off. I swear I put the quote thing around what Skeleton_Pilot said and no quotes around what I said..

Well...this is quite embarrassing..the only thing to do now in a moment of embarrassment like this is to climb back into my cave-liar

pangtongshu
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I am very sorry for the triple post (triple post...my gosh...)

cave-liar


*cave-lair
Gantic
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Why would you ignore it as a moderator? Aren't you supposed to do something about it? Like issue warnings? Then bans?

It's not the content that matters. Negative social interaction is a stressor in any environment.

Jefferysinspiration
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Why can't Bob just be ignored after it's explained to him why his posts have been deleted? If he does insult you on a personal level, he's obviously just doing it for a reaction, and he won't get the satisfaction he seeks if you don't provide it!


I would imagine it would be because if Bob has the gull to insult a Mod on a personal level, he most likely might do so to other users too, which is something that would need to be dealt with


^ Exactly - and mods are appointed to deal with issues like that, so they have to follow through accordingly.
TheMostManlyMan
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However if bob is annoying a regular user then ignore bob and watch him get angry and perma-banned

Skeleton_Pilot
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Why would you ignore it as a moderator? Aren't you supposed to do something about it? Like issue warnings? Then bans?


And give Bob exactly what he wants? If you react to Bob's pathetic attempts to get your attention, you'll just show him how easy it is to push your buttons!

If he's harassing other users, that's a different story... then it's your job to do something about it... but if he's just insulting you to get a rise out of you, you can be the bigger man and walk away rather than feed him the negative attention that he seeks!
pangtongshu
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If he's harassing other users, that's a different story... then it's your job to do something about it... but if he's just insulting you to get a rise out of you, you can be the bigger man and walk away rather than feed him the negative attention that he seeks!


But for a mod to know if Bob is just insulting him and not other users, then they would have to waste valuable time going through all what Bob has said to make sure he isn't bothering other users. Valuable time that could be used to deal with all the other Bob's out there
Freakenstein
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If he's harassing other users, that's a different story... then it's your job to do something about it... but if he's just insulting you to get a rise out of you, you can be the bigger man and walk away rather than feed him the negative attention that he seeks!


Breaking the rules is breaking the rules, dude. We don't ban them because they ruffle our feathers, we ban them because it's clearly stated in the rules that "flaming, trolling, harassing, and insulting" is prohibited.
AceofSky
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Breaking the rules is breaking the rules, dude. We don't ban them because they ruffle our feathers, we ban them because it's clearly stated in the rules that "flaming, trolling, harassing, and insulting" is prohibited.

Doesn't Armor Games do IP bans? Or was that something else...? But can't you notify the ISP of this Bob and report the inappropriate comments, or was his rule-breaking not severe enough? Also can't AG log the IP addresses of Bob and see what other accounts log in with that IP address?

Sorry if this was brought up already.
nichodemus
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IP addresses can be circumvented eventually if they choose to....

TheMostManlyMan
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Also can't AG log the IP addresses of Bob and see what other accounts log in with that IP address?
that would suck, what if bob had a nice brother or sister, would that mean that they might get banned because of bob being bob?
GhostOfMatrix
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IP addresses can be circumvented eventually if they choose to.

Rather easily.
what if bob had a nice brother or sister, would that mean that they might get banned because of bob being bob?

Doesn't matter. One person ruins it for everyone, as seen with the HTML.
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