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elshobokshy
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I want everybody's opinion about the ongoing events in the Arab World.
I mean the ongoing revolutions.

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Jefferysinspiration
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Not true, everyone's future in here depends on what will happen.


I'm sure there's one person out of the entire who doesn't really care though or who supports the government rather than the protesters cause.
elshobokshy
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I'm sure there's one person out of the entire who doesn't really care though or who supports the government rather than the protesters cause.

Rich people yeah, like 5% of the country maybe.. Cuz we want the government to be fair, they were making rich people richer and we got people dying from poverty...
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Rich people yeah, like 5% of the country maybe.. Cuz we want the government to be fair, they were making rich people richer and we got people dying from poverty...


Egypt has a population of 82,999,393 (APR 2011).
(Wiki)

Yet the revolutions seen roughly five million protesters.


2 million at Cairo's Tahrir square
750,000 in Alexandria
1 million in Mansoura
4000 in Suez
100,000 in Ismailia
100,000 in Zagazig

With other cities and regions protesters coming just shy of one million in total.
elshobokshy
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They are augmenting, yesterday they were 2 million in Alexandria and more than 4 million in Cairo and so on.
Some people don't join doesn't mean they don't give a F

elshobokshy
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Sorry for the double post, I mean they were like that on Friday not yesterday.

Jefferysinspiration
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Some people don't join doesn't mean they don't give a F


I'm not saying everyone who doesn't join doesn't care - i do take into consideration the amount of children/elderly in the population.
But i'm saying there's bound to be some people who don't care - it happens in every country.
The news only show us the support against the government, not fully the support for the government (In terms of citizens and not those close to the government)
elshobokshy
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The news only show us the support against the government, not fully the support for the government (In terms of citizens and not those close to the government)

What is being said ? I'm curious
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The average person listens only to one media, 2 tops.


Since when, in the course of human events, has the average person ever mattered?
You see, a media may bias one's thinking, and some people may only watch one news source to get their main information.
[By main info, I mean stuff that can't really be biased]
So when it comes to supporting an idea, or debating it, the main question lies not with the average people but with the people who took the time to do some research before speaking their minds.
If you find someone that is going to vote for the president and they only watch Fox News -- you can't say they're biased morons. What if, over years of careful debate in college, they've just likened their minds with all the research they can to fit well into the Republican party, and to them, news would much be better off without hearing Democratic nonsense?

I'm not saying the media does bias you, I'm saying that everyone gets their chance to a political opinion.

As to kids watching the same news as their parents, Jefferyinspiration, I have no idea what kids you know, because so far uptil my 17 years, the majority of kids I have met have practically no sense of their parents political views.
Jefferysinspiration
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As to kids watching the same news as their parents, Jefferyinspiration, I have no idea what kids you know, because so far uptil my 17 years, the majority of kids I have met have practically no sense of their parents political views.


I didn't mention them having a sense of their parents political views. The main news airs after typical dinner-time in the UK, so a lot of families tend to watch it together - my point was merely stating that teenagers will more than likely watch the same news station as their parents; i don't believe this times in with politics but more a sense of television channel preference.
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The average person does matter because he is the one voting and he is the one politicians need to appease. The the French citizens would not care about Libya at all could it be that France would not spearhead the Western intervention?

The "important news" can also be biased. Everything can always be biased. Heres a small example:
When Bush was elected the second time I remember this news channel showing lots of almost savage people with pro Bush signs (for about 10 seconds) then people (that half of them were soldiers - very touchy for Israelis) crying and explaining why Bush is horrible (for about 2 minutes). This is probably one of the only times the average Israeli that would watch this channel have a chance to make an opinion and I wouldn't be surprised if the bias worked.

Overall even if someone watches the N.Korean news he can still make up any political opinion but he is likely to be influenced by the media and think what they want him to think.

Armed_Blade
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The average person does matter because he is the one voting and he is the one politicians need to appease.


No, because the average person has a list of priorities.
Lets say for example that a dude is going to vote for his Senator. He's heard a bunch of news in the last year, but all he really cares about is the money in his pocket. In reality, unless this person is braindead, he might end up voting for the side that he wants based on the political bias he has been subject to. But, if the next president sucks, then chances are, even with the fact he's watched FoxNews or whatever all of his life, he will be more inclined to pick the opposite side.
This is why American presidencies have never been utterly dominated by one side or another in normal conditions. The two main parties have never been entirely 'wiped out', as you could say.

For example: If the media lead France into supporting intervention, and intervention sucked, then politicians will feed on the fact that it sucked and people will rally to their side.

I'm not saying it doesn't matter, and that the average person is an idiot/is smart for only watching one television station, all that I am saying is that if someone were to watch only one type of news channel it would not make them utterly braindead. If there are two people debating in a presidential debate, then it is not like the person hearing the other side will not be able to comprehend the candidate's rhetoric just because he has been watching a media station that is biased against him.

The "important news" can also be biased.

Not really, the only important news in that would have been 'Bush elected for a second time' -- You can't bias that. You CAN bias your views on him, depending on what your watching, but it isn't as if a media station would chose to leave out the fact that Bush was elected. That was all I'm saying. It's not a strong point just part of the argument.

Overall, I think, that if any of these Revolutions are to take place, then these nations have to do their best to evoke a better sense of government in their people, since I feel that in many of these areas people feel the government is very remote from them, an entirely different sector of the country that is doing unknown stuff. Kinda creepy.
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Not really, the only important news in that would have been 'Bush elected for a second time'

I think we define bias differently then. Anyway my point was that if the media wants you to have a certain opinion then its very possible for them to do it.
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