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elshobokshy
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I want everybody's opinion about the ongoing events in the Arab World.
I mean the ongoing revolutions.

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GoblinD
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Makes much more sense to believe this random guy on a forum then the CIA factbook but ok. I'll just go ahead and continue this conspiracy: USA did 9/11, The media hides the nuck dropped on Bagdad and Bush worships the Devil.

CommanderDude7
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IMO I think its good that the area with most of the oil in the world is changing away from dictatorships. Perhaps they will be more open to trade then in about 50 years.

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Partydevil, what you're doing is not right. The way you type is a little hard to understand on first glance to begin with, and the part that GoblinD quoted was a severe wtf.
At first, you refer to Afghanistan's fertility level, of 6. [Google says 6.5, Factbook says 5.39, so 6 is fine, whatever]]
Then, you say 3 by US, 1 by Terrorists, and that Women are bombed. That doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

Now, what I'm guessing is that you mean that of those 6 babies born, 3 have contact with US activities and 1 with other terrorists groups and women, too, witness such, which leads to support your point that most of these kids will think negatively of the USA. Just a guess, but if you're here to converse with GoblinD, you should at least have the decency to give him an explanation rather than just be obnoxious.

I guess you're a Muslim living in the western world right? Muslims living in places like Pakistan, Afghanistan or Syria have a slightly different culture.


That's slightly off, aside from the street smarts, the school system, the English accent, I'm not much different than my cousins. Brown people take their culture with them.

and about 5% of you're community would start blowing things up and try to take over the country for Islam


That is a stupid assumption. You're basing on some odd belief that of whatever number of Muslim immigrants enter a country, a certain percent of them must be extremists ready to take over the country for their religion.
That hasn't even happened yet on a historical scale yet you just assume that to be the case? The truth is, most of Western Europe is dropping in population, and, to fulfill yearly losses in labor, they get more immigrants. Upon seeing that they are losing their homogenous society, they are a little spooked. Not being offensive, but that's just the case. It's not like France's population of Muslims is growing due to some underlying belief of invading the country.

Oh stop being so naive. If you're country was conquered by the West and Imams would tell you regularly about how the West is destroying the world you wouldn't be so nice to them either


Afghanistan is not conquered. The last time it was conquered by the west was by ancient Greece, during a time where the eastern half of the country wasn't even connected. If it were USA v. Afghanistan, I'm sure we'd have a new Vietnam in our face. I don't think people there need Imams to tell them that the bombs that have been dropping from the sky for the last ten years are from the USA.

What I am trying to say is that sometimes when people countries make actions like picking allies, the question of what matters more religion or nationality can make the difference.


Well, this doesn't make any sense. Nearly all countries in the world chose their buddies this way. North Africa is better allied with the Muslim Word, East Africa, than it is with the Southern Area. South Africa much better allies it with Europe. If you look further in, you'll see the religions match nicely. All of the US's early allies were Christians usually in Europe, along with Catholic Latin America [but, due to the US's more protestant nature, military force was also used and supported in Latin America]. This happens everywhere, it is no wonder that Muslim Nations ally with Muslim Nations. In some areas of the world, Nationality is defined by one's culture, and some of that culture might stem from a religion.

Sorry but i doubt Muslims in Afghanistan think as rational as you do in Egypt about the West.


I'm sure they think just as rationally, most of them just witness much more destruction and happen to have a lot less money. That changes the way you think about things.

IMO I think its good that the area with most of the oil in the world is changing away from dictatorships. Perhaps they will be more open to trade then in about 50 years.


Most open oil is in trade. A lot of it is nationalized, in places like Mexico, Argentina, and Saudia Arabia. By doing so, the use of the oil, its destination, and it's price is determined a lot by politics.
partydevil
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but if you're here to converse with GoblinD, you should at least have the decency to give him an explanation rather than just be obnoxious.


i'm sorry (goblind) you/he are/is right.
it's just because that i just came home from 18 hours work. iam realy tired and i gotta start in 7 hours again. i was not realy here for a conversation. i just wanted to read up and maybe post some.

but the explenations you gave is on the spot =) thx.
elshobokshy
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Thanks for all of your great posts but I'll ask to close this thread, too many off topics.

GoblinD
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Np partyevil. I know the feeling.


That is a stupid assumption. You're basing on some odd belief that of whatever number of Muslim immigrants enter a country, a certain percent of them must be extremists ready to take over the country for their religion.

I did say that it might not happen and I didn't even say its likely. (can it still happen though? If france continues anti Muslim laws and Muslims really do make the majority, yes its possible). I gave this as an example for how a minority is what decides a community's future.


Afghanistan is not conquered.

Call if "occupied" if you will then, the result is the same.

For Imams, they do more then say its all USA's fault. In the radical Muslim society Imams can control the people into almost whatever they want, just like the Church did in Europe hundreds of years ago. Imams can (and are) send people to suicide attacks, armed resistance, just giving them money, etc. For propaganda they do stuff pretty unlogical by you're standards like, blaming Zionism for global warming and other crazy stuff like that.


Well, this doesn't make any sense.

If say, Some Muslims in France do revolt the radicals would probably make connections to Iran. War with a minority is very likely to capture the standbyer Muslims as well and after they get dragged into the conflict too you could officially say Iran is an ally of the French Muslims (because of a minority's actions).
This is what I tried to say, the small but active radical minority can decide the action of the passive majority.


I'm sure they think just as rationally

Poverty + more radical religion + occupation + deep hatred = less rational community (to say the least)
Do you think you today are as rational as an 11th century Spanish peasant?
GoblinD
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elsob, you have to be a little flexible with the topics. On topic disscutions often turn to offtopic then back to topic. All topics are connected somehow.

elshobokshy
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I wanted to discuss about the revolutions in the arab world, not about Afghanistan :P
Cuz I don't know a thing about what's going there. Yeah I know, I never watch the news lol

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I wanted to discuss about the revolutions in the arab world, not about Afghanistan :P


Well technically you didn't give us any clear guidance, so the topic was bound to go off-topic from what you had in mind, but to help you out i'll try discuss what i think you meant.

So can you tell us which Arab revolution you're on about?
Because you could go back to 1916-1918 and bring up Hussein bin Ali in the Ottoman era.

Or we could go to 1936 and discuss Palestine.

What were you aiming for?
elshobokshy
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What were you aiming for?

I made it clear, the on-going revolution. The one in Egypt, Syria, Yemen, Tunisia, Libya.
Jefferysinspiration
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I clearly haven't had enough coffee today, sorry Elsh.


The Egyptian one, i heard a lot about on the news manly because of the deactivation of internet access which was appalling - for both citizens and people holidaying there at the time. This was all to do with politics, right? They weren't happy with the new appointment of government?

The syrian uprising was understandable. The people needed to fight for their rights. I don't think it was handled correctly. I understand the protests anger but it probably should of calmed down a little when any change was made - the way the protesters were dealt with was disgusting though.

I think Yemen could of handled their situation better also. The government of course was in the wrong with the corruption involved and the living conditions the people were left in, but i think the vendetta against the president was a bit wasted at the time because even his own party didn't like him.

Tunisia's problem was the unemployment levels and living conditions mixed with the way the country was being run. I'm not as up to date on it as i'd like to be, but i thought the political problems had ended?
I must be wrong.

I'd get angry getting into the current situation of Libya and it would lead us right back in to our Afghan debate, so i'll leave it at that.

GoblinD
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Were you in the Egyptian protests?

Jefferysinspiration
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Were you in the Egyptian protests?


No.
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I'm in support of the revolutions, the old regimes had been in power for far too long and quite frankly they were hindering the nation's progress into the 21st century.

I do believe that they could've been planned better, once Egypt happened, her neighbors were on alert, had the rebels waited a little while they could've surprised the government and had a far easier time of it. I think Libya's the only one actually experiencing a civil war or revolution, the others were relatively bloodless in comparison.

elshobokshy
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Jefferysinspiration That's the kind of comment I wanted to hear

Were you in the Egyptian protests?

If you mean me then of course!!
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