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owlmanawesome
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Is the sentence a good or bad policy? Some states allow it, and some countries aloow it, yet others dont. Yes, I know some of might say everyone deserves to live, and most of the time i would agree with you, but what if there is a man that has been tested positive for some sort of disorder that causes him to have a strong urge to kill at random times, and he was either about to be set free in your town or put to death. What would you say? There is the unethical and the inhumane reason, but a large reason many places ban it is the cost. Some states are backed up with people on death row, because they have to pay lawyers to file paperwork, and keep those hundreds, maybe thousands, of people alive for howver long. Think, do you really want your tax dollars going there?

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EmperorPalpatine
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In some Arab countries, although they don't kill them, they can chop off their hand of the criminal who stole.

Yep. Did you hear about the story in Iran where a guy blinded and deformed his girlfriend when he splashed acid her face? The government was going to legally blind him with acid as a punishment.



The punishment is being postponed because some consider it inhumane.

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There are so many comments...

amon2006
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i dont know i am confused first punishment main goal to amend criminal thats why the death penalty seemed so wrong.. otherwise it is immposible to amend some people ..there are two types of criminal..one community make them criminal second they are born like criminal..

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but what if there is a man that has been tested positive for some sort of disorder that causes him to have a strong urge to kill at random times, and he was either about to be set free in your town or put to death.

... You mean Dexter?

Someone who has the urge generally hasn't tamed it, and it's difficult to discover just how powerful the urge is, my guess is that it's equally strong to anyone else who would have it - and it would take a hugely reasonable / logical personality to get through it.
Even so, that would be difficult.

Mental asylum. The guy doesn't deserve to die, but he is a risk to society and that generally goes into Criminal Law. The only safe haven where he could live his life is there - unless his urge for killing can be sated on animals, and thus used productively for hunting, I would only want the Bay Harbor Butcher close to me if he kills killers.
Killers that deserve to die - there's the ethical dilemma ^^

The death sentence is just like communism..... It looks good on paper

Witty comments and a method of government running isn't very constitutional towards the argument of whether the death penalty is acceptable or not.

The Casey Anthony trial is perfect for why swift justice can only be used on people who have been 100% convicted.

Simply this. The minimum consequence for taking an innocent life is death itself - another way of putting it is "The minimum consequence for killing in cold blood is death itself".

I see no difference in those two sentences.

I don't know too much about the Casey Anthony trial although if it's 100% certain that the person killed in cold blood, off with his head I say.

If people were being killed for petty crimes, like stealing someone's handbag, crime rates would drop like a dead bird. I'm not saying, or implying, that i's right, but it would be an effective way to accomplish that.

Bare in mind the requirements in order to take harsher action generally depend on the state of culture. With the relatively high crime rate current around the world a harsh punishment for robbery is absurd - including the Arabian countries as Blkasp had pointed out:
In some Arab countries, although they don't kill them, they can chop off their hand of the criminal who stole.


The Death Sentence isn't used much, or at all nowadays - but it should be noted that if it were a very rare thing, to have a murder case, then more severe action would probably be taken, being as the standard of behaviour / wisdom is higher.

Yep. Did you hear about the story in Iran where a guy blinded and deformed his girlfriend when he splashed acid her face? The government was going to legally blind him with acid as a punishment.

Well deserved punishment, honestly. Infact I would be pissed off that only one of his eyes were blinded because apparently "he's worth two women" wasn't expected to happen - and if anger in that situation would actually help.

It's not inhumane when you consider that he did it because she wouldn't marry him - I don't care how much indoctrination you went through or what the culture is, if you have the gall to throw volatile and lethal liquids into someone elses face then you have the gall to resist that which is around you.

There are so many comments...

And few of them are useless. Sadly, yours kind of is :/

i dont know i am confused first punishment main goal to amend criminal thats why the death penalty seemed so wrong..

The point in Criminal Law is to protect society, and to punish the offender. Criminal Law includes a breach of security / human rights so important that the state considers it against them, and not just an / the individual(s) that were direct victims.

Civil Law is between one person and the other, where it's to amend for the claimants breach of rights and claim compensation.

..there are two types of criminal..one community make them criminal second they are born like criminal..

Not really. Each person is capable of resisting a criminal act. Being "born" criminal isn't really something that's possible. Not even enviromental raising to be like that would change your nature.
The main condition I can think of is the urge, which can often be present in psychopathy being as they feel emotion in no other way.

People who are made criminal by the community are not people - by saying that you remove all the individuality they once had. People are capable of thinking for themselves, I know this through experience. You can gain so much from expanding from the little you already know, especially when it comes to moral / philosophical endeavors.

Those who decide to expand on themselves and what they have been taught / know are the most individual, because it's their work, and theirs alone.

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Coming from a country with one of the highest executions per person (Singapore), I'm for the death sentence. Obviously it should only be the Final Solution, and not handed out casually.

Brush away morality here. Brush away rights. When you take away a person's life, you forfeit your own right to live. I'll like the sentence applied to repeat offenders of heinous crimes. Sounds harsh, but they immediately segregate themselves from society IMO if they commit certain crimes. Murder is the easiest to pinpoint, but the lines get blurrier elsewhere.

Highfire
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Brush away morality here. Brush away rights. When you take away a person's life, you forfeit your own right to live

Not always, a self-defense act is perfectly reasonable, because your life is worth more as an innocent than the attacker.

I'll like the sentence applied to repeat offenders of heinous crimes

**** would probably be the one I'd go for the Death Sentence with. No real justification for that act.

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Not always, a self-defense act is perfectly reasonable, because your life is worth more as an innocent than the attacker.


Sorry I should have clarified when I mentioned murder. I meant murder, actively carried out, not for self-defense purposes, but initiated.

There still are loopholes in that weak definition, but I hope the message gets through haha.
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Brush away morality here. Brush away rights. When you take away a person's life, you forfeit your own right to live

An eye for an eye, huh? Haven't we already pointed out a few times in this thread that this alone isn't a reason to kill?
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An eye for an eye, huh? Haven't we already pointed out a few times in this thread that this alone isn't a reason to kill?


It's not that reasoning. I'm saying that once you infringe on another person's right to life, you forfeit your own.
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Sorry I should have clarified when I mentioned murder. I meant murder, actively carried out, not for self-defense purposes, but initiated.

So you mean it was premeditated murder?
It's not that reasoning. I'm saying that once you infringe on another person's right to life, you forfeit your own.

Why do you think that? It might be to further murder's life, killing competition.
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There still are loopholes in that weak definition, but I hope the message gets through haha.

Murder in cold blood, for money, revenge (that is unreasonable), or some other sort ^^

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Why do you think that? It might be to further murder's life, killing competition.


Mhmm I didn't quite grasp what you meant here. But

Basically it's just Rousseau's Social Contract

Again, every rogue who criminously attacks social rights becomes, by his wrong, a rebel and a traitor to his fatherland. By contravening its laws, he ceases to be one of its citizens: he even wages war against it. In such circumstances, the State and he cannot both be saved: one or the other must perish. In killing the criminal, we destroy not so much a citizen as an enemy. The trial and judgements are proofs that he has broken the Social Contract, and so is no longer a m[/quote]mber of the State.


So you mean it was premeditated murder?


Yes I would suppose. But it varies according to the circumstance.
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Murder in cold blood, for money, revenge (that is unreasonable), or some other sort ^^


Still premeditated murder if you think about it. I would say the loophole is when you're under the influence of drugs or some controlling person when carrying out the act.
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Still premeditated murder if you think about it. I would say the loophole is when you're under the influence of drugs or some controlling person when carrying out the act.

How bout if you design something to kill someone, like a trap, but never actualy lure people to it, you just leave it lying around? Would you consider that a death sentence?
nichodemus
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How bout if you design something to kill someone, like a trap, but never actualy lure people to it, you just leave it lying around? Would you consider that a death sentence?


If it kills someone yes. If not, then maybe no. I'm not a law student! But I believe you need to carry out the act itself with results to qualify for the sentence. I'm sorry, I could only put it across that perversely haha.
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