....Ok then....Well in that case, millions of theist are making that claim. Its not my job to disprove them until they can come up with something to disprove. They don't have any evidence, so there is nothing to refute.
I don't believe in a higher power, divine will, universal power that creates equilibrium, I believe in myself and my perception of reality. I don't feel the need to believe that something out of my grasp controls everything, and watches over me because I am confident enough to handle the hard times life throws at me, and I am intelligent enough to devise ways to fix what I may not like. Life is a journey, and I fully embrace it. However, I fully enjoy discussing with religious individuals and learning their thinkings.
Being agnostic is the feeling that the truth/falsehood about things like God is unknowable, right? So, you don't believe in a God, but you don't think its impossible for him to exist?
Even though this wasn't directed at me I can say that's how I feel.
Even though this wasn't directed at me I can say that's how I feel.
That would make you an agnostic atheist. But earlier you said that you believe (Want to believe or some other insane thing), so which is it? Do you believe or not?
And religious "facts" are changed from person to person. With in the same church even.
That's true, but what I'm getting at is that just because what you believe is backed up by scientific theories doesn't make it 100% true and guarenteed.
LOLWUT? The people who thought so where religiously motivated
You say "LOLWUT?", I don't get what you don't understand. I also don't believe everyone was religiously motivated to believe that, you still have people today who believe the world is flat because they think it impossible that we wouldn't fall off the planet.
but hell the ancient Greeks knew it was round. They saw ships dipping of in the distance and said "Hey, that might be round!". If I remember correctly, Aristotle? even calculated the circumference of he earth and was almost correct.
Okay then 1000 years before that everyone thought the world was flat.
Actually, by then we probably had a decent enough understanding of the planets to know something to the effect of "SPACE BIG!". The people who thought it was small where probably a minority, I will have to fact check this.
I don't believe it was a small minority, fact check it please, seeing as how you said you would
...But you don't find it insane that a humanoid being created himself and then the universe using magical powers, then paying special attention to the earth in many stories while still screwing it up to the point we need advanced science to live on a small portion of it?
Yea I find that crazy, but I believe that to be more sane then thinking that matter was always here, not being created, just being here for an infinite amount of time.
Yes we have, at least depending on the claim.
Actually no, every idea of how the universe and everything was created was a theory. It isn't a fact of how the galaxy or space was made, just theories so you can't say there is no god (or is it God?) until we have a complete 100% knowledge of everything, and where the phenomenon stops existing. Where everything is known and understood.
I just find it crazy that people with little understanding of scientific theories chose to substitute their own assumptions in place of said theory while giving it the same name, then they use their own (purposely) outrageous, falsely labeled, assumption to justify their own belief.
My knowledge of the Big Bang Theory is that matter and stars became to dense and contracted into itself, and then basicly blew up and expanded everywhere from all the tension? Is that not right. Kind of like constipation no?
That would make you an agnostic atheist. But earlier you said that you believe (Want to believe or some other insane thing), so which is it? Do you believe or not?
I don't recall saying I wanted to believe
Your making the claim that there is a god. Its your job to prove that.
And your making a claim that there isn't a job, using your logic you have to prove that. And you've done a bad job.
Actually no, every idea of how the universe and everything was created was a theory. It isn't a fact of how the galaxy or space was made, just theories so you can't say there is no god (or is it God?) until we have a complete 100% knowledge of everything, and where the phenomenon stops existing. Where everything is known and understood.
A theory is an explanation of related observations or events based on hypotheses and verified multiple times by different independent researchers. This is the highest thing you can have in science as it offers explanation of the observed phenomena (the facts). There is also nothing saying that a theory can't also be a fact. For example, the heliocentric solar system: that the planets in our solar system orbit around the sun. This isn't commonly thought of as a theory but as a fact, which it is, but it's also a theory as it offers explanation of the observed phenomena.
My knowledge of the Big Bang Theory is that matter and stars became to dense and contracted into itself, and then basicly blew up and expanded everywhere from all the tension? Is that not right. Kind of like constipation no?
No that's not right. It seems you've added the "Big Crunch" hypothesis, which has the universe imploding in on itself. This is not part of the Big Bang theory. This hypothesis isn't even the most likely based on observations of the shape of the universe. All the Big Bang theory states is a singularity (the universe was basically very hot and dense) and that expanded rapidly. This was spacetime itself expanding, not just the matter/energy there in.
christians make the claim that god is real. so it is up to them to proof it is real. just because they make the claim he is real doesn't mean that i have to give proof of him not being real.
it's them who makes the claim in the 1st place not us.
it's like i claim that the flying spaghetti monster is real. now you have to proof to me that it's not real. and i wont give any proof of it being real just like the christians can't do
