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destruction101
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The oil resources around the world are fastly depleting. The sources of oil that are there are very hard to get and refine. So should we continue to use oil as our main resource or should we find alternative energy.

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Roger721
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Sorry for DP, but fixing:

Uhm... if at least MID EAST governments were more pacific...

EmperorPalpatine
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And secondly, use algae

Since it's a bacteria, people are less likely to complain about its use. It's easy to grow a lot of it. Very good idea.

more like 2000 euro

I doubt those go as fast, but I'm not sure. It's $40000 for the one that goes 40-50mph (65-80kph).

not if you put it on the side and top of buildings.

There's not many buildings in the Sahara Desert. I like your idea of putting the pannels on the sea, but the downside is large waves would destroy or disable the pannels too. What about ones in the tundra? Up in northern Alaska/Canada/Russia/Siberia? Terrorists couldn't really get to them. A lot of sunlight reaches those regions, but the light gets reflected off of the snow/ice. The only downside is that maintenance would be very difficult due to the extreme cold.

if we can make all electricity eco-friendly then those cars will be 100% eco-friendly aswell.

Like the hydrogen powered car? They're very expensive $300,000 and are not available to the general public yet. Most are prototypes for the rich to try out. They're starting, in probably 30 years, they'll be more popular than regular gas cars, especially if oil drilling stops.

Because you have to transport it extremly far it's an easy target.

Although a large and obvious target, perhaps a large defense unit from the UN could guard it at all times (not the same guys 24/7, but guarding in shifts or something)?

If you attack an oil plant then that doesn't really hurt us the West.

Prices go up a little. People complain for a little while. That's about it.
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Solar panels? I was talking about eolic fans :P


Those fans could also work in the tundra, wouldn't they? As long as they didn't freeze up or something.
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Those fans could also work in the tundra, wouldn't they? As long as they didn't freeze up or something.


You could, but it seems a little far. And you might need to pay to repair them in case they frezze up or are pelted by hail. I think so far our best bet is the ocean.
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I think so far our best bet is the ocean.

How will they survive the constant wave-bashing?
dair5
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How will they survive the constant wave-bashing?


They'll be on floating platforms. Or maybe on the coast.
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the Rotating Wind Power Tower will be powered entirely by sun and wind energy. And, the architect claims that the building will generate 10 times more energy than required to power it, thus making it a positive energy building. Solar panels will be fitted on the roof to harness sunlight, and a total of 48 wind turbines will be sandwiched between the rotating floors, placed so that they are practically invisible. Each wind turbine could produce up to 0.3 megawatt of electricity, and it is estimated that 1,200,000 kilowatt-hours of energy would be generated every year.Construction is going to start soon, with an official launch later this month, and plans are also afoot to build a similar tower in Moscow.


this seems to be going the right way ^^
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I doubt those go as fast, but I'm not sure. It's $40000 for the one that goes 40-50mph (65-80kph).


i c, i didn't saw the mph, i thought km/h those of mine go 40km/h still prety fast for a simple bike. and they also got a electric moter wich helps you drive fast whitout getting tired.

but the downside is large waves would destroy or disable the pannels too.


not likely they also have oil platforms you could make something like that but then whit wind energy. aka make it able to move and float when it's necessary.
and the solar pannels on buildings wasn't ment for in the sahara. altho whit the amount of sun and the power they need there. it could maybe be enoufg.
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and they also got a electric moter wich helps you drive fast whitout getting tired.

Both kinds have that.

not likely they also have oil platforms you could make something like that but then whit wind energy. aka make it able to move and float when it's necessary.


Ah. That makes sense. Those exist. They could work quite well, but you'd need a lot of them to power a city. I was a bit worried that some of the technical electronic components might break down in the corrosive salty air, causing rust and malfunctions, but the new ones are made for that kind of abuse better than old turbines.
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Yes, if its our oil. We've got loads of it, lets drill it. If wave-bashing is the problem, I'm sure some company will invest the money to figure out how to fix it if they see profit down the line.
Also, for now, yes, relying on oil is great. We can buy it because we're rich and ****** -- except, we should only use it with our future in mind. I hope that the Government/andor companies will invest a little in alternative energy, since that's clearly the road ahead.
As for anything that isn't mobile -- we have tons of options, ranging from wind and water, all the way to geothermal energy within the earth itself.
Cars themselves, I think, will be a different story. Personally, I don't mind that car that does the whole electric + oil combo. Doesn't solve the problem, but its a step in the right direction.
And yeah, recharge stations would be nice.

Its tough to universally change things in America, America is a little big.

A little relevant to the topic -- What happened to Obama's ideas about doubling gas mileage standards to 54 by 2025?

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Uhm... installing eolic fans on sea is a nice idea. We only need to be aware that salt may melt the fans ("salty winds&quot or make them rust.

Also, in cold areas, happen the famous polar nights: so, at least once a year, no solar energy could be obtained. But, if constructed with a quality material, the fans could make energy out of hails!

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Uhm... installing eolic fans on sea is a nice idea. We only need to be aware that salt may melt the fans ("salty winds&quot or make them rust.


we have (can make) special coatings for that. just like we have special coatings that makes things fire-prove, explosion-prove, and radar invisable. i think the golden gate bridge for example already has this kind of coating. ive heared about such thing on tv.
also are oil platforms from metal and they don't break down that fast either.

but I think it's going to be really expensive to get anything substantial from those windmills in the middle of the ocean. So I don't support a switch to green energy immediately, but I completely and wholly support the research and advancement of green energy to the point where it is both ecologically and economically sound to make a switch. This coming from someone who thinks fossil fuels are great and that use of them should continue.


change is always expensive. almost never is it cheap.
and to advance the technology you need to experiment. what does money matter if you can make a better future?

[quote]and they also got a electric moter wich helps you drive fast whitout getting tired.

Both kinds have that.[/quote]

thats what i said. mind the word ALSO
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And don't say it has to be expensive, no matter what.

i'm not saying that.

change is always expensive. almost never is it cheap.


only sometimes change can be done cheap. but on the manner of energy sources we use. it's not possible to make the change cheap. we to much depend on fossil fuel for that at the moment.
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Actually it is a fact that green energy is more expensive and always will be. That's the only reason people still use fossil fuels. Also many people have experimented with "green" energy, such as corn oil, and obtained success. It's just that to use it on a large scale you need tons of money which nobody has.

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I believe I saw a reportage about a procedure in progress that makes fuel out of cultured algae that are compressed and somehow treated. Cultures where simply high cylinders full of an aquous solution and algae. I'm not sure but it sounded as if it wasn't that expensive, at least it makes way more sense than corn fuel.
I will post a link if I find one..

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