100 lashes for adultery is extreme. Chopping off one's hand for theft is also extreme. I know that these two punishments only apply under certain circumstances (because we discussed it) but it's still extreme, no matter what.
I still don't get why you think it's extreme. It's just to prevend it.
What is it for me? - In some cases, horrible. There was a case in indo where a man got six public floggings, a fine and si months in prison for breaking fast.
WTF??? Breaking fast and such a punishment, just WTF!
Whereas on another island in indonesia, a man murdered someone and got three months.
@Jefferysinspiration: The Sharia laws in those countries aren't solely based on the Quran/hadiths. Reiki explained to me earlier that e.g. the death penalty is against the Quran. Also blasphemy laws aren't part of the Quran but still you have them in those countries.
it was just a question. made sure to be a question at the ending whit the word. "right?"
You know how the VOC runned indonesia right?
yes i know. but VOC was a company. (the 1st real modern day company wich invented the stock market and made it possible to create big companys wich are now supporting life on earth.) (voc was not only bad) when the VOC stoped in 1775 the dutch government didn't instandly take it. we left it alone for 25 year and in 1800 it came under the dutch government controle. from 1800 till 1949 it was following our laws and nothing realy big happend sofar i know of. in 1945 they revolted to be independent while the dutch were under controle of germany and japan attack them. and we gave it to them in 1949 after the war and after some time to rebuilt.
between 1800 and 1945 while the dutch government (not VOC) had actualy controle of the country. it was not a bad place.
between 1800 and 1945 while the dutch government (not VOC) had actualy controle of the country. it was not a bad place.
It's not about the government, it's about the people themselfs. There was a kind of cast system between the people. The Dutch people were more important and higher then the indonesians.
This incident i mentioned - it happened last month, not back in the 1800s.
I already responded to that.
What is it for me? - In some cases, horrible. There was a case in indo where a man got six public floggings, a fine and si months in prison for breaking fast.
WTF??? Breaking fast and such a punishment, just WTF!
Whereas on another island in indonesia, a man murdered someone and got three months.
Alright, I juz joined the site and I am a Muslim too, I will be answering from now on as well. It will take a while for me to go through 34 pages of intense discussion, so give me a while and I will join ya all.
if that is true i feel realy bad for them. we should have kept that place under our (dutch) policy. then they would realy be free.
Haha, yeah, because Imperialism entails the idea of extending a controlling countries laws of equality onto colonized nations. (Sarcasm) You can't say the people would truly be free. Imperialism is completely the opposite of that. Just my two cents.
It's an inhumane form of punishment.
So is killing people and taking away a third of their life in jail. I don't know, I'm sure a lot of people with 30+ years in Jail would probably give up a hand just to walk about. Maybe I'm wrong.
Also note that the Qur'an doesn't force us to cut someone's hand off provided he does something bad enough, it is showing us our limits. If we feel it is inhumane, we can choose a smaller punishment.
I'm against the death penalty (and where I live we don't have it)
and taking away a third of their life in jail.
The max. amount of prison is 25 years (except for custody if you're a danger to the society)
I don't know, I'm sure a lot of people with 30+ years in Jail would probably give up a hand just to walk about. Maybe I'm wrong.
It's new to me that you get 30+ years of prison for theft... Also think about this: If you only have one hand left you probably won't find a job because 1) you have a handicap and 2) you marked for your lifetime. If you won't find a job you are more likely to commit crimes.
What is the Qu'rans attitude towards sorcery? Do muslims believe in sorcery, and if so, do they condemn it? Or don't they believe in it and condemn belief in sorcery?
Just asking because in Saudi Arabia, someone got beheaded for practicing 'sorcery', or offering such services. Since he asked money for it, I can understand why he got arrested, but not why he got beheaded. And as far as I know, the Bible condemns belief in sorcery. I'd like to know what the Qu'ran says.
It's not about the government, it's about the people themselfs. There was a kind of cast system between the people. The Dutch people were more important and higher then the indonesians.
so it's also not about the VOC. the cast system was already there befor the VOC. VOC did not invent slavery .
