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Would it? Then what about all the killing that happens in the Qur'an? And the stoning and beheading they order? Do those not count?

It was not about Islam. It was about their dedication to your religion. Why would they kill themselves in suicide attacks if they where not totally dedicated to the religion?

I'll begin from 2:191 and 2:193. These verses are all out of context. Here, I'll write 2:190-195 down for you, and you will see that you're wrong.

"You may fight in the cause of God against those who attack you, but do not aggress. God does not love the aggressors."

"You may kill those who wage war against you, and you may evict them whence they evicted you. Oppression is worse than murder. Do not fight them at the Sacred Masjid, unless they attack you therein. If they attack you, you may kill them. This is the just retribution for those disbelievers."

"If they refrain, then God is Forgiver, Most Merciful."

"You may also fight them to eliminate oppression, and to worship God freely. If they refrain, you shall not aggress; aggression is permitted only against the aggressors."

"During the Sacred Months, aggression may be met by an equivalent response. If they attack you, you may retaliate by inflicting an equitable retribution. You shall observe God and know that God is with the righteous."

"You shall spend in the cause of God; do not throw yourselves with your own hands into destruction. You shall be charitable; God loves the charitable.(Qur'an 2:190-195)"

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I don´t understand why you even placed 4:91. I understand you by placing other verses but this one...

"You will find others who wish to make peace with you, and also with their people. However, as soon as war erupts, they fight against you. Unless these people leave you alone, offer you peace, and stop fighting you, you may fight them when you encounter them. Against these, we give you a clear authorization.(Qu'an 4:91)"

And I didn't even say that it's out of context(it is). It just clearly says, there are ones who want peace with you. But at time of war, they fight against you. Till the war ends, you can kill them when you encounter them. Look, it says encounter them, so searching them up is forbidden. Not a reason to kill.

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They also buried their daughters alive.

"When any of them is given the good tidings of a girl, his face is darkened and he chokes inwardly, as he hides himself from the people because of the evil of the good tidings that have been given to him, whether he shall preserve her in humiliation, or trample her into the dust.(Qurâan 16:58-59)"

Women were despised, not only in pre-Islam Arabia but also in the Roman and Sassanid lands. The Qurâan openly declares that men will be questioned concerning this: When the female(infant) buried alive is questioned â" for what crime was she killed? Qurâan 81:8-9
After Muhammad had declared his Prophethood, a Companion told him what he had done with his daughter:

O Messenger of God, I had a daughter. One day I told her mother to dress her, for I was taking her to her uncle. My poor wife knew what this meant, but could do nothing but obey and weep. She dressed the girl, who was very happy that she was going to see her uncle. I took her near a well, and told her to look down into it. I kicked her into it, while she was looking in the well. Somehow she managed to hold on the mouth of the well, and meanwhile tried to clean the dust on my clothes saying: âDaddy your clothes are dustyâ. I kicked her again into the well and buried her alive.

The Prophet and his companions were sobbingly crying, while this man told this.

Greetings

Which killings? Who are they?

How the heck would I know? These people are crazy enough to kill innocent people, so why not?

About your quotes from the Qur'an; you already said those before, and I told you thar 2:191 was taken out of context

I really wonderd why you used 4:91, which already suggests peace(Salam) and not security.

Use this site for Qur'an translations. It's much better then Skeptics.

I'll begin from 2:191 and 2:193. These verses are all out of context. Here, I'll write 2:190-195 down for you, and you will see that you're wrong.

I could now show you that all these verses on the link you gave are all out of context. All of them. But I don't see in why I should answer it again. Go back and look between page 30 and 50, and you'll find it. Sorry for my laziness.

They also buried their daughters alive.

How about all da killings?

Or how about Allah himself, like when he drowned the Egyptian army or killed everyone in the world?

Because even crazy people have a sense of self preservation?

In what context is that a good thing?

I don't know how you are reading it, but to me that says "Kill them". I am pretty sure a terrorist could easily read that and say "Yes, it most certainly does say kill them". So either it is saying to kill them, or it is a really, reallly, really violent and strange way to say "Make peace with them".

Then it suggests "If they don't, kill them. All of them. Kill them where you find them". Which, of course, means kill them?

But skeptics is much easier to navigate.

Wha...What?

A punishment of God? A punishment for an army and their leader who wanted to kill hundreds of innocent believers. Moses and his people were going to get killed, just because they didn't believe that the King/Pharao then was a God. So, God punished him and everyone who worked with him.

Someone who has even a bit of a sense of self preservation would not be able to explode himself to let innocent children get killed.

You may fight, if they attack you. So you can attack to protect yourself.

You can kill them if they wage war against you. So you can kil to protect yourself.

If they stop, then stop with fighting. God is Most Merciful.

You can fight them to, to eliminate their oppression, and so you can get freedom. If they stop, then stop to. Aggression is permitted only against aggressors.

Don't fight like an idiot, and fight with caution.

If they don't stop, and if they don't offer peace, then fight back, only when you encounter them.

There are ones who want peace.But they fight you when war erupts.
If they don't stop, and if they don't offer peace, then fight back, only when you encounter them.You can kill these.

Now, let me ask you a question; Do you want peace or war?

Many people don't know this barbarian act. These little girls were buried at a young age, some of them just after they were born, some years later. It depended on their father. There are ones who got 4 girls, and who couldn't kill the last etc.

Istishhad has nothing to do with Islam

Let's think simple. 1. Burqa is not a must. 2. Burqa shows Islam wrong to non-believers, and makes it hard for muslims to show them that Islam is not bad(because the two groups have different cultures(main cultures, not taking the sub cultures). 3. Burqa is used for bad purposes by Munafiqs(religious hypocrites)

I've been told Allah is just the word for God in the middle east, is this true?

I've been told Allah is just the word for God in the middle east, is this true?

First of all, I believe that there is a Creator. And that there is just one Creator. Abrahamic Religions are the most logical ones, why would so many people believe in it if it wasn't?

...And that seems logical to you? To wipe out an entire countries army, which he could stop at any moment by nonfatal means?

Would you murder the innocent soldiers, who you want to not die?

I wouldn't, I would freeze them temporarily until the followers run away, or levitate them, or make the sand below them quicksand up to their necks, or make a wind that stalls them. Killing them would be unnecessary and illogical.

Unless they are completely dedicated to their cause or god...

Which is logical. But easy for people to read as "It is ok to attack people". How hard would it be for a terrorist leader to convince people that their enemies attacked first?

Unless of course they don't stop, in witch case it is OK to kill them? Or apparently all of them, and everyone who works for them?

So fight people who you are at war with. It is almost like the terrorist are reading that and thinking to fight people they are at war with.

why stop an army, who want to kill innocent people? I dont see USA stop killing terrorist anytime soon...

Who said he didnt want to?

and freeze them, so they can start killing innocent people later, sounds more logical to you...

If they were completely dedicated, they wouldnt blow them up in the first place, since it against the rule

Last I checked, all countries, including USA. It ok to attack in self defense.

And after your logic, it would be easy for a person to convince an US citizen, to start randomly attack each other..

after your logic, anyone can beat you, hit you, try to kill you. Yet you wont move a muscle to prevent any of it?

are you saying all muslims are terrorist? if not, then I dont see whats wrong with this text. Any country will fight someone who they are at war with.

What's with all the terrorist talk? Islam and terrorism are two COMPLETELY different things. Maybe the most recent terrorists happened to be Muslim, but that doesn't make Islam a religion of terror. Anybody remember Timothy McVeigh? It seems this thread has really gotten away from its original purpose.

As for my question, how hard is it being Muslim in a predominately Christian country like the United States? What challenges do you face?

Lets say it is like a video game, like Mass Effect. You have two choices, you can stop the army without killing them (Paragon) or you can kill the entire army (Renegade). While stopping the army by killing them is the most humans can do, Yawheh has the option to stop them. Without killing them. Witch makes killing them cruel, doesn't it?

So Yawheh likes killing innocents?

Why would they start killing innocent people later on? Why couldn't he just freeze them every time he tries to harm someone? He is, after all, omnipotent and omniscient, what would stop him?

No it isn't, they consider themselves myters for their god, which is considered a good thing. Not against the rules at all.

Some major differences being the fact that people in the US can often get actual news. The terrorist believe whatever they are told.

Of course not, if someone is trying to kill me I do everything in my power to stop them. Witch is usually shooting them. Like I said, that is the only way I could stop them. If Superman was getting shot at, it would be illogical for him to go and crush the enemies head, since he does not need to.

I am saying that the text quite clearly says to go and kill people, witch is hardly a message at peace.

I am saying that Muslim terrorist are a current threat above domestic terrorist in America, being better armed and hiding better.

its very funny to see all thhese "american patriots" who just looking for the word "kill" in the qurean, and than jump on you reiki. you can post about the rules of handling food, but when they will see the word "kill", 3 of them will already say "what a barbarians" and "in USA we never let it happen" and stuff. last time i checked, Christianity did said "show the other cheek", but i dont see any of them doing something close to it.

im not against christiany or against USA. im against Egocentricity and the thinking of peoples that there cultur and religion is supereme and the other are inferior barbarians.

stopping the army would just mean they can kill later on. It doesnt make sense to prevent somebody, to kill, and in the meantime let them kill others later.

last time I checked, it wasnt innocent to kill... so by calling them innocent, you actually justified cold blooded murder.

So if USA caught a murder. Then after your opinion they should imprison him for 1 day, and then release him again. And every time they catch him doing something wrong, they should hold him for 1 day?

not if the rule clearly states, that it against them doing that.

so after your opinion it ok, for an american to kill a innocent person, if he just says he did for america? and it will be USA fault, because the american citizen did it for USA, which is good after your opinion.

so you are saying a muslin, is a terrorist. And your saying a muslim isn't human, since he cant get actual news. And you assume a muslim cant be a US citizen.

I will repeat the same thing millions people are saying, muslims are not terrorist.

after reading your arguments, it sounds like you assume muslim are the terrorist.

I doubt USA or any other country, got any different rules.

last time I checked, muslims aren't superman's. And cant withstand a bullet, or any other kind of weapons.

so does the US laws, or any other countries. Since the rules are all the same. I doubt USA will stand and watch, while other countries bomb them and kills them.

Then blame the individuals, and not Islam for it. Since Islam clearly says it against terror.

its very funny to see all thhese "american patriots" who just looking for the word "kill" in the qurean, and than jump on you reiki. you can post about the rules of handling food, but when they will see the word "kill", 3 of them will already say "what a barbarians" and "in USA we never let it happen" and stuff. last time i checked, Christianity did said "show the other cheek", but i dont see any of them doing something close to it.

im not against christiany or against USA. im against Egocentricity and the thinking of peoples that there cultur and religion is supereme and the other are inferior barbarians.