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Inspired by "Ask A Muslim," I am creating this thread to answer any questions about Judaism. I will only answer questions about the religion, not why I believe in it, or how I can prove that it exists.

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Yes, I have. The reason that God took the lives of the first-born Egyptians was not to punish the children, but to prove to Pharoah that God is almighty


"So lets see here. I am an omnipotent being who can prove I am a god by doing absolutely anything I want. Lets see....Turn the deserts futile, allowing them to bloom like I should have when I created the planet? Nah. I don't like that guy. Spell out "I am Yawheh and your god" in the stars? Nah. I know, ILL KILL HIS GOD ****ED CHILDREN! Yeah, that will do it."

That isn't how an all loving being proves something, that is how the Mafia proves something. I'm surprised the Pharaoh didn't wake up next to a horse head.

As to The Flood, it was because the world was full of what even we would today regard as sinners, as they were liars, murderers, thieves, etc.


So you killed them, when you could do absolutely anything else?

"Well I have got a world full of sinners here... Lets check my options. I could transfer them to a different planet, plenty I left empty for no particular reason. Nah. I could make them good again, but would interferer with free will (Note to self, remember to harden Pharaoh's heart later). I know, ILL KILL THEM ALL! Yeah Yawheh, your full of good ideas!"

Also, God then promised to Noah that God would not commit the same act again.


The same action, as in he said "Well ok, I won't flood the world again." Which leaves plenty of options open. It would be like Hitler coming to the podium and stating "Ok. I promise never to kill a bunch of people using gas again". Would you forgive Hitler in that situation?

The human sacrifice of Isaac was to prove that Abraham was willing to completely devote himself to God's service.


Judges 11:34 And Jephthah came to Mizpeh unto his house, and, behold, his daughter came out to meet him with timbrels and with dances: and she was his only child; beside her he had neither son nor daughter.
11:35 And it came to pass, when he saw her, that he rent his clothes, and said, Alas, my daughter! thou hast brought me very low, and thou art one of them that trouble me: for I have opened my mouth unto the LORD, and I cannot go back.
11:36 And she said unto him, My father, if thou hast opened thy mouth unto the LORD, do to me according to that which hath proceeded out of thy mouth; forasmuch as the LORD hath taken vengeance for thee of thine enemies, even of the children of Ammon.
11:37 And she said unto her father, Let this thing be done for me: let me alone two months, that I may go up and down upon the mountains, and bewail my virginity, I and my fellows.
11:38 And he said, Go. And he sent her away for two months: and she went with her companions, and bewailed her virginity upon the mountains.
11:39 And it came to pass at the end of two months, that she returned unto her father, who did with her according to his vow which he had vowed: and she knew no man. And it was a custom in Israel,

So what does that prove? I'm not talking about when YWHA said "Go kill your kid" then took it back. Im talking about when he said it and meant it. Basically the guy said "Ok, YWHA, if you help me kill a bunch of people Ill kill the first thing I see when I get home for you" and it was his daughter, welcoming his return. So he killed his daughter. What lesson is there?

First of all, Yawheh is an incorrect English translation of the Yud-Hey-Vav-Hey used in Hebrew to denote Gods name


Fine. For this thread only, I will use YWHA. Close enough for you?

As to why God chose the Israelites, it was because they were the only ones willing to accept commandments from God


What do you mean? The Chinese and the Greeks just said "No thanks, we don't need divine wisdom. You should check that desert over their!"?

Also, God did not really choose the Israelites, so much as the sons and daughters of Jacob


So it was narcissism?

That is like hiring a CEO because his great great great grandfather was George Washington.

That is where the term, B'nei Yisrael, or, Children of Israel comes from.


I have never heard of that saying and fairly certain no one I know can pronounce it.

To your second question, after the destruction of the Second Temple in 70 AD by the Romans, many mitzvoht, or, commandments were discarded as impossible to follow. Thos included the rituals of sacrifice, and some punishments. Also, Judaism has, for lack of a better term, evolved to modern day society. In fact, I do not think that any Jew has stoned someone for violating any of the laws that would mandate death by stoning in at least 200 years. Also, I am a Reform Jew, and I choose not to follow every single commandment in the Torah.


So YWHA's rules are not worth building a new temple for? I thought the rules where supposed to withstand the test of time, being from a deity and all. Does that mean that our human laws are better than YWHA's?
zakyman
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So it's acceptable to kill innocent children to teach the head of state a lesson?


I didn't say that it was okay.

These are two large city right? There would have to have been babies in those cities. If no righteous people could be found this would also have to include children and infants. This would means the cities were also filled with evil babies.


The Torah does not make mention on anything that happened to any kids, if there were any. Remember, every single person in that city except for Lot was homosexual.

Pretty sure mass genocide of the entire planet was controlled by God.


You are talking about the Flood of Noah which I already answered.

I can pull up the Bible verse they are referring to and get the same.


Yes, but that will be original text, not a rough translation.
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The Torah does not make mention on anything that happened to any kids, if there were any. Remember, every single person in that city except for Lot was homosexual.


Wait, where does it say that? And are you saying homosexuality is bad?
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I didn't say that it was okay.


So God did do and atrocious act here?

The Torah does not make mention on anything that happened to any kids, if there were any. Remember, every single person in that city except for Lot was homosexual.


So you really think two cities could exist with zero birthrate?

You are talking about the Flood of Noah which I already answered.


All it says is God saw everyone on the planet was wicked (again evil babies) and decided drowning your children when they misbehave was the way to handle it. This was a choice by God to commit genocide, regardless of his reasoning behind the act.

Yes, but that will be original text, not a rough translation.


Then what does it matter if the rough translation and the original text are both illustrating horrifically cruel and atrocious acts? It would seem despite it being a rough translation they got the context of it right then.
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Wait, where does it say that? And are you saying homosexuality is bad?


Gen 19:5 "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out so we may be intimate with them." And, no, I am not saying homosexuality is bad.

"So lets see here. I am an omnipotent being who can prove I am a god by doing absolutely anything I want. Lets see....Turn the deserts futile, allowing them to bloom like I should have when I created the planet? Nah. I don't like that guy. Spell out "I am Yawheh and your god" in the stars? Nah. I know, ILL KILL HIS GOD ****ED CHILDREN! Yeah, that will do it."


God was attempting to inspire terror into the Pharoah's heart, so that he would be convinced to let the Israelites go.

The same action, as in he said "Well ok, I won't flood the world again." Which leaves plenty of options open. It would be like Hitler coming to the podium and stating "Ok. I promise never to kill a bunch of people using gas again". Would you forgive Hitler in that situation?


No, I wouldn't. However, you are comparing apples to oranges here. I would forgive God because God is not a manifest of evil, merely attempting to restart a world gone bad. Hitler committed mindless genocide to wipe out only specific groups of people, and not rebuild anything like God promised to. Also he promised not to destroy the world again. Sorry for not making that clearer.

Fine. For this thread only, I will use YWHA. Close enough for you?


I was not saying that you shouldn't use Yawheh, merely pointing that fact out.

So what does that prove? I'm not talking about when YWHA said "Go kill your kid" then took it back. Im talking about when he said it and meant it. Basically the guy said "Ok, YWHA, if you help me kill a bunch of people Ill kill the first thing I see when I get home for you" and it was his daughter, welcoming his return. So he killed his daughter. What lesson is there?


The lesson is to keep any promise that you make to God.


That is like hiring a CEO because his great great great grandfather was George Washington.


No, it is like choosing George Washington to be your CEO, and then just keeping his descendants in the same position.

What do you mean? The Chinese and the Greeks just said "No thanks, we don't need divine wisdom. You should check that desert over their!"?


That means that they refused to accept commandments from God. Plain and simple.

I have never heard of that saying and fairly certain no one I know can pronounce it.


I will spell it out for you: Ben-ayh Yis-ra-el. Also, just look up B'nai Yisrael on Google and some synagogues will pop up.


So YWHA's rules are not worth building a new temple for? I thought the rules where supposed to withstand the test of time, being from a deity and all. Does that mean that our human laws are better than YWHA's?


It was because God's spirit left the temple because the Israelites were no longer completely devout. Also, the diaspora started then and most Jews were kicked out of Israel. The ones that remained lived in hiding.

So you killed them, when you could do absolutely anything else?


Like I said, it was to get a fresh start.
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So you really think two cities could exist with zero birthrate?


No, and it was one city. I am not going to debate how a city could exist with zero birthrate.

So God did do and atrocious act here?


I concede only this point.

Then what does it matter if the rough translation and the original text are both illustrating horrifically cruel and atrocious acts? It would seem despite it being a rough translation they got the context of it right then.


The interpretation matters.
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Gen 19:5 "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out so we may be intimate with them." And, no, I am not saying homosexuality is bad.


They are angels, do angels have gender?

God was attempting to inspire terror into the Pharoah's heart, so that he would be convinced to let the Israelites go.


Then why did he "harden his heart" just a little bit after, to makes sure Pharaoh's army would be sent after him? And why kill his kids? Im sure the horse head would have done just fine.

No, I wouldn't. However, you are comparing apples to oranges here. I would forgive God because God is not a manifest of evil, merely attempting to restart a world gone bad. Hitler committed mindless genocide to wipe out only specific groups of people, and not rebuild anything like God promised to. Also he promised not to destroy the world again. Sorry for not making that clearer.


Hitler wanted to restart Germany, he thought the Jews where poisoning it. They blamed everything on them from losing WWI to their massive dept. Hitler promised to rebuild Germany from the great depression. The only difference seems to be that you fallow your god not Hitler.

Genesis 9:9 And I, behold, I establish my covenant with you, and with your seed after you;
9:10 And with every living creature that is with you, of the fowl, of the cattle, and of every beast of the earth with you; from all that go out of the ark, to every beast of the earth.
9:11 And I will establish my covenant with you, neither shall all flesh be cut off any more by the waters of a flood; neither shall there any more be a flood to destroy the earth.

In the KJV I typically use, he specifically says "With a flood" as bolded.

I was not saying that you shouldn't use Yawheh, merely pointing that fact out.


Well Ok then. It was completely irreverent then.

No, it is like choosing George Washington to be your CEO, and then just keeping his descendants in the same position.


So it is a Monarchy then? That form of government that absolutely everyone got sick of a few centuries ago? Funny thing is that just because your dad was a great king doesn't mean you are.

That means that they refused to accept commandments from God. Plain and simple.


I am still confused on what your saying here. Did they make a knowing decision to not except them? Did a burning bush just pop up in front of Archimedes and started talking but Archimedes just said "Don't disturb my circles" and ignored it? Did they just not know that they had the option?

I will spell it out for you: Ben-ayh Yis-ra-el. Also, just look up B'nai Yisrael on Google and some synagogues will pop up.


To be honest, I have little interest in random sayings at the moment.

It was because God's spirit left the temple because the Israelites were no longer completely devout. Also, the diaspora started then and most Jews were kicked out of Israel. The ones that remained lived in hiding.


They have it back now, why not just rebuild it? It could come back if they are completely devote again, correct?

Like I said, it was to get a fresh start.


So by this logic, if I go over to an old school building and light it on fire, I am doing a good thing because it allows them to start over?
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However, in Israel, they instead give gelt, or money.

I thought gelt wasn't actual money, but chocolate money like Frankenstein coins that we give out on Halloween?

You said that you're a Reform Jew before, and I don't think Reform Jews have to wear kippahs(I could be wrong). Even so, do you know what the story is behind the kippahs? Why do you have to wear them, and does everyone wear kippahs(I've heard that only boys of a certain age are allowed to wear kippahs, or something like that)?

What exactly do you do at Bar/Bat Mitzvahs, when do you have them, etc? I think that Bar Mitzvahs are for boys and Bat Mitzvahs are for girls, but again I could be wrong.

What are the rules of kosher? I know Orthodox Judaism is the most strict, and Reform Judaism the least strict(Conservative is somewhere in the middle), so kosher varies, but what are you not allowed to eat? And what happens if you break kosher?
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They are angels, do angels have gender?


I will not pretend to know, but that is irrelevant because the mob thought the angels were men.

Then why did he "harden his heart" just a little bit after, to makes sure Pharaoh's army would be sent after him?


The Torah does not provide an explanation for that. Sorry to disappoint.

In the KJV I typically use, he specifically says "With a flood" as bolded.


The word "flood" is interpreted to mean destruction.

Did they make a knowing decision to not except them?


Yes

They have it back now, why not just rebuild it?


Because there is now no need to. The center of Jewish prayer has become the synagogue, basically a mini-temple without all of the rituals. It took many decades to reach that point, and would not be practical in todays society. Also, the Israeli government would have to knock down some historical sights of religious value and that might not go over too well.

So by this logic, if I go over to an old school building and light it on fire, I am doing a good thing because it allows them to start over?


No, because the school building was not wicked.
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You said that you're a Reform Jew before, and I don't think Reform Jews have to wear kippahs(I could be wrong). Even so, do you know what the story is behind the kippahs? Why do you have to wear them, and does everyone wear kippahs(I've heard that only boys of a certain age are allowed to wear kippahs, or something like that)?


It's required that a Jewish male keep their head covered at all times, the kippah is just tradition. They can wear anything from a baseball hat to a paper towel.

What exactly do you do at Bar/Bat Mitzvahs, when do you have them, etc? I think that Bar Mitzvahs are for boys and Bat Mitzvahs are for girls, but again I could be wrong.


The jewish boy is required to read a passage from the Torah depending on what week of the jewish calendar he was born in.

What are the rules of kosher? I know Orthodox Judaism is the most strict, and Reform Judaism the least strict(Conservative is somewhere in the middle), so kosher varies, but what are you not allowed to eat? And what happens if you break kosher?


There are a lot of rules, too many to go into at once, but I can name a few. You can't eat an animal that chews it's cud. You can only eat fish that have scales and fins. You can't eat any animal unless it was slaughtered in a specific manner. You can't eat meat, then milk (but you can eat milk then meat). Breaking kosher is no different from breaking any other jewish laws, it's just considered a sin.
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You can't eat an animal that chews it's cud.


That is actually one of the requirements. It is visa versa on that. Also, technically we are allowed to eat meat then milk, because the passage is said to say, "And you will not cook the calf in its mothers milk, it is cruel." That means that if you own a farm, and could guarantee that a cow would not then be washed down by its mother's milk, it would still be kosher.
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I thought gelt wasn't actual money, but chocolate money like Frankenstein coins that we give out on Halloween?


American gelt is like the silver covered chocolate coins. In Israel, they give actual money.
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That is actually one of the requirements


Oops, accidently reversed it :b

"And you will not cook the calf in its mothers milk, it is cruel."


I think the interpretation of this passage is complete crap, but it doesn't annoy me enough to not follow it.
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I think the interpretation of this passage is complete crap, but it doesn't annoy me enough to not follow it.


By that, i mean the interpretation that you can't eat any milk or meat together.
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I just wanted to point out that I like this line of questioning better instead of if Jews approve of everything God does. Please ask more questions like this. Maybe about the different holidays or something.

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