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zakyman
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As a Democrat, I think I can safely say that Obama is going to win re-election. If the best that the GOP can do is nominate some die-hard Christian from Texas (no offense to Texas), then they are screwed for at least the next election if not more. Please give you input on who you think will win re-election, and the nomination for the GOP.

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HydromiTad
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I can't say for sure Obama will win. If something really bad happens (like the economy takes a dump again), then he might lose.

But, if all holds together, he'll win.

Freakenstein
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Unless the page that I was looking on did not update recently, they still have a slew of confirmed/potential GoP candidates. I don't know very much about any of these candidates really (except Shorty Mcshort Short Mitch Daniels and I'm glad he dropped out!), but I'm looking at Gary Johnson for right now, because his stated policies on this page really speak to me. These are really somethings that a GoP fan would *not* support, at least I don't think so. The only one that speaks true for a general GoP fan would be the small-government ideals.

Freakenstein
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*renamed thread for a more-objective point of view*

hojoko
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I actually think it's really interesting that you support Obama, as most of the Jewish demographic (including myself) are leaning away from him.

He will have a hard time during this election, because his original campaign platform (Hope, Change, etc.) has proved to be rather misleading, and it was that campaign strategy that landed him in the White House.

If it weren't for Sarah Palin, I would have much preferred John McCain as President, but the 2012 GOP candidates all seem slightly... off... to me. I would say my personal favorite currently, although I really don't like him all that much, is Mitt Romney.

zakyman
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I actually think it's really interesting that you support Obama, as most of the Jewish demographic (including myself) are leaning away from him.


I don't support Obama, but I really don't want any of the nut jobs like Perry or Paul in office, so he is the best man for the job. However, had McCain actually picked a good running mate, then I would have wanted him to win, and would probably vote for him in the election.
MrMoneh
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I'm assuming Obama will win re-election, the whole Osama thing really got it set and stone.

Jefferysinspiration
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I'm not into American politics as it doesn't really affect me, but i do think Obama will win.

jroyster22
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I believe Ron Paul would do a wonderful job leading this country. He wont he straw poll in California and Texas. Not many people know about him winning texas by a landslide because the gov't doesnt want people to know he is crushing the game. So the gov't said there was no interest in texas of who won the poll. Kinda fishy if you ask me. Also, the last two debates, Paul doubled his following each time. You know why? He has taken it upon himself to no longer lie to the american people about the real crisis going on economically and politically.

zakyman
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He has taken it upon himself to no longer lie to the american people about the real crisis going on economically and politically.


Yes, but he is part of the Tea Party, which is not going to get much support from even mainstream Republicans because of their refusal to compromise. I don't want to get too off-topic here, but the Tea Partiers are saying that Obama's debt reduction plan is "class warfare" because they are "unfairly" taxing the rich, yet they refuse to compromise on this while demanding massive cuts in goverment spending. Basically, they want to have their cake, and eat it too.
HydromiTad
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I believe Ron Paul would do a wonderful job leading this country.
~jroyster22

I use to think that too, but then I got turned off by him when he wanted to basically eliminate the Federal Government.

And, as zakyman pointed out, he's a member of the Teaparty. The American population is 45% Republican, 45% Democrat, and 10% Independent. So, even if all the Republicans vote for Paul, the other 10% might be turned off by his Teaparty activities.

The only one that speaks true for a general GoP fan would be the small-government ideals.
~Freakenstein

I do agree. But the GoP candidate MUST either jump-start the economy or create jobs quickly. Otherwise, the candidate will be a one-term president (should Obama lose the election).
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It is difficult to jump start the economy.
Obama's new 'Jobs' plan is just a short term hopeful.
If it happens, then we put people to work for a while, economy 'looks' better, and he gets re-elected.
In reality, all we're going to get is some inflation later down the road [Not to say that its not good for Obama to put people to work] but in reality, his scheme isn't about making good government jobs to up infrastructure, he just wants people working right now before the election to look good.
If he really wanted to up the economy, he'd be helping out with education, infrastructure, technology, etc.

A GOP candidate would just cut taxes and hope that fixes everything while ignoring the deficit/destroying government programs.

Considering the options, I think Obama looks like a better option to the general public.

Also, due to the wave of teapartyism/mad republican fever, I think the current candidates have had to really show themselves as conservative right-wingers just to get on the nomination level. Once on the national level I think it will be difficult for them to separate themselves from their primary elections and show a more moderate side.

Due to that, I am sure that Obama is soon to win his re-election.

NoNameC68
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Yes, but he is part of the Tea Party, which is not going to get much support from even mainstream Republicans because of their refusal to compromise. I don't want to get too off-topic here, but the Tea Partiers are saying that Obama's debt reduction plan is "class warfare" because they are "unfairly" taxing the rich, yet they refuse to compromise on this while demanding massive cuts in goverment spending. Basically, they want to have their cake, and eat it too.


This is under the assumption that "compromise" is the solution. If compromise isn't the solution, then it's perfectly reasonable for Ron Paul, or the Tea Party, to demand a decrease in both taxes and government spending.

Of course, I would like to keep the topic on Ron Paul, not the Tea Party.

I do agree. But the GoP candidate MUST either jump-start the economy or create jobs quickly. Otherwise, the candidate will be a one-term president (should Obama lose the election).


The government can NOT jump start the economy. You can't take 1,000,000 dollars from the private sector, and use it to "create" jobs. The private sector is now 1,000,000 dollars poorer, and that's 1,000,000 dollars worth of goods and services the private sector now lacks. Jobs were not created, they were merely shifted to government jobs or government funded jobs.

For example, let's say the government wanted to create a bridge as a means of "creating jobs". The government spends 1,000,000 dollars from taxes to create this bridge. When the bridge is done, you not only see a beautiful bridge, but you also see the 1,000 workers who worked on the bridge and were employed for a year. All seems well.

However, the bridge wasn't created for convenience of travel, and was therefore a waste of money. However, what about the jobs it created? By taking 1,000,000 dollars from taxes, the people who pays the taxes now have 1,000,000 less to purchase on all the things they want. Because the people have less money to spend, they can only afford to buy less, and by buying less businesses are now selling less. For example, John had 100 dollars and he wanted to buy both a Nintondo Mii and a PooStation7. Both cost 45 dollars, costing a total of 90 dollars. However, John was taxed 20 dollars, now John only has enough money for one system. Obviously, it doesn't sound like a big deal since I just mentioned John who had to buy less, but what about Susan, Gary, and Samantha? Everyone has less purchasing power, meaning they all must buy less which in turn means less goods sold. This harms businesses indirectly. That's jut what happens when you tax the people. When you tax business owners, they have less money to expand their business, to hire more people themselves, or to increase the quality of their products.

It's easy to see the 1,000 men who were hired, but you need to train yourself to see that you ended up with a bridge that nobody needed. Not only that, but you must also train yourself to see the businesses who sold less goods due to people having less purchasing power. Because people have less purchasing power, businesses can't afford to hire people, or they can't sell enough products which puts them out of business (which the taxation was supposed to save businesses in the first place).

* I am talking as if the bridge was built primarily to create jobs. I am not talking about the government building a bridge because a bridge was needed, which is an entirely different debate.
HydromiTad
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The government can NOT jump start the economy.


Actually...

My Dad works at a steel mill in Indiana where they produce slag for road construction (along with the steel used in cars and appliances).

When the recession first hit, he was put on 32 hours a week. Well, when the first trillion (or was 700 billion?) stimulus package was passed, road construction started again. The mill started producing steel again just for the slag. Then, it snowballed and the mill began selling the steel. Now, he's on 50 hours a week with no change in sight. So, yeah, I believe the government can create jobs (granted it's based on my personal experience).
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I still haven't seen much from any of the candidates yet to say who I'm looking at to win, but hopefully it will be someone who will be very strong in areas concerning the economy. Additionally, they would need to plan more strategically with our overseas relations to help protect our interests.

zakyman
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Additionally, they would need to plan more strategically with our overseas relations to help protect our interests.


Which brings me to my next campaign topic:

Israel is our biggest ally in the Middle East. How do you feel Obama has done supporting them, and do you think that a Republican president would do a better or worse job.

Geez, maybe this thread should be a stickied thread for the 2012 elections...
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