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schuetteg6
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Its stupid to be racist

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314d1
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I would guess the trial was fair according to US standards. Nevertheless, when retrospectively many key witnesses recant their statements and there is no space allowed for a final appeal, I think it is naive to say it is a completely fair trial. Clearly race played some role, and the statistics show this.


Who exactly is the "Key" witness? If you are listening to the defense lawyer who said the statement I formally quoted, it could be whoever you feel like. It could be his best friend, the man who was drunk, the guy who thought he might have kind of seen a guy wearing a white shirt, or pretty much anyone else.

I am not seeing the racism in your statistics, please explain. Bedsides that fact, it is hardly the jury that decides what punishment to inflict, just weather or not he was guilty. And the evidence, in the 34 witnesses, even if seven left you would still have more then the six witnesses in defense. The man was charged with murder, obstruction of a police officer, and assault, if I remember correctly. If he didn't accept a plea bargain and was convicted for something like that, it is likely that he was to face the death penalty.
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In total, thirty four witnesses testified at trial for the prosecution.[30]

Only about 10 claimed to see the crime. About 8 of those were too uncertain to stick with their original statements. The other 20 claimed to see him some other time that night and didn't see any crime directly.
Wiki says: In addition, three witnesses signed affidavits stating that Redd Coles had confessed to the murder to them.

it is hardly the jury that decides what punishment to inflict

Wiki says: On August 30, 1991, after seven hours of deliberation, the jury recommended the death penalty and Davis was sentenced to death.
314d1
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Only about 10 claimed to see the crime. About 8 of those were too uncertain to stick with their original statements. The other 20 claimed to see him some other time that night and didn't see any crime directly.
Wiki says: In addition, three witnesses signed affidavits stating that Redd Coles had confessed to the murder to them.


Which is plenty to be "beyond reasonable doubt".

Wiki says: On August 30, 1991, after seven hours of deliberation, the jury recommended the death penalty and Davis was sentenced to death.


In criminal cases, after it is determined that a case will proceed to trial, a separate petit jury (formed of petit jurors) is then convened to hear the trial. In a few states and in death penalty cases, depending upon the law, a third jury or more often the same jury, will determine what the penalty should be or recommend what the penalty should be in the penalty phase. Usually, however, sentencing will be handled by the judge at a separate hearing. At a sentencing hearing, the burden of proof is now preponderance of the evidence, not proof beyond a reasonable doubt and hearsay is allowed. This practice gives the judge the power to change the finding of the jury when deciding on a sentence.[43]

Its usually the judge who decides what happens, to my knowledge, they just kind of pointed to the death penalty, which is, to my knowledge, something typically granted to someone who is convicted of murder, especially if they have other offenses (He allegedly pistol whipped a guy and shot an off duty cop, right?). I am pretty sure that is what the judge would have chosen without the suggestion.
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Which is plenty to be "beyond reasonable doubt".


How is that beyond reasonable doubt? If 8 of the 10 who saw the incident weren't sure of what they say and 3 more said it was someone else, why is there no reasonable doubt?
314d1
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How is that beyond reasonable doubt? If 8 of the 10 who saw the incident weren't sure of what they say and 3 more said it was someone else, why is there no reasonable doubt?


They where not completely sure of what they saw, however having twenty indirect witnesses is plenty. Not to mention three that he allegedly admitted his crime to, still without counting eight witnesses he still has twenty something against him with only a few with him.
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aha, does the oj simpson trial count as rascism? lol

RikJimmy00
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Its stupid to be racist


youre correct

we are all the same, humans just for diferent tones of skins or way to talk we are going to make fun or disrespect someone? thats awful
Peter20
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ive never really been acused of being racist but i hear people bein racist all the time and its really stupid

devsaupa
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Well really a comment is racist only if people want it to be racist and get offended by it. Especially today, so many "racist" comments are made about everyone that if you got offended by it all, you would be really busy.

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Who exactly is the "Key" witness? If you are listening to the defense lawyer who said the statement I formally quoted, it could be whoever you feel like. It could be his best friend, the man who was drunk, the guy who thought he might have kind of seen a guy wearing a white shirt, or pretty much anyone else.


I am very glad that you are not a trial judge. The identity and the amount of the witnesses is irrelevant. It's what the ke witnesses allegedly saw, and how important this was in getting a conviction that matters. If the vast majority of people who saw things which led to Davis being convicted later recanted their testimony, then that is about as clear an example of reasonable doubt as I can think of.

I am not seeing the racism in your statistics, please explain.


African Americans, though they make up only 12% of the general population, have made up 41% of death row inmates and 34% of those actually executed since 1976. Furthermore, 80% of those executed since 1977 were killings involving white victims. Such a statistical disproportion cannot merely be attributed to abberation. It reveals a disturbing racial undertone to the US legal system.

Here's another article on the issue, that's a bit easier to decipher.
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It's a group security thing.

RickersXS
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People are racist because it's easy and if you only see a few of each race i.e. if you live in Newcastle where there are barely any black people, stereotypes are all you've got to go on and the few you see may fit the stereotypes and reinforce them.
But answer me this: if racism is prejudice based on stereo types which are assumptions based on one aspect of a a person, then aren't anti-racist people incredibly racist as they call racist people insecure, weak ignorant and so on, when they have no clue what they're like? And if agree with that stereotype, how could you possible fit that into our grandparents generation who are much more racist than today's yet have down loads for the world?

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I'm not sure about how much truth there is to this, but I've heard that black people have something special with their scalps to where they can't get lice....wouldn't that disprove the question portion of the title?

*note* I'm not a racist and I mean to offend no one.

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You can be racist as long as you're quiet about it and don't go out telling black people what you think of them. Racist jokes are so funny but I don't go tell the world about them.

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then aren't anti-racist people incredibly racist as they call racist people insecure, weak ignorant and so on, when they have no clue what they're like?


No. Because anti-racist people arn't judging the ethnicity of the racists, they're judging their ideals. Also not all anti-racists are like that. In fact I'm pretty sure most arn't.
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