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Hello guys, my name is Emanuel. I would like to discuss about this on here, armorgames, because the community in here seems very mature.
Well, let's just start about me and school. Everytime i think on "SCHOOL" i can feel it like a torment, or the "Bad moment feeling" everytime i think on it. I don't get bullied, and i even got a good rep on school. I'm not sure why i'm worried. Maybe it is because when i wake up, i wake up tired. Maybe because i hate writing. Maybe because i just don't understand what's the Mathematics teacher saying. Yeah, i think that's what worrying me and making me lose hope on school. I get bored, i hate studying, and waking up everytime thinking about "oh man school again "
So, to get to the point quickly, do you think that they should stop giving us unnecessary stuff that you don't need for your future? I mean, why study History? why study.. art?
I question this everyday. I know that not everyone wants to study on the future the same thing (ie. Lawyer) but, seriously? History, art? That is completely unnecessary. I sometimes get depressed about the "Oh god school again" feeling. (Even though, i have gotten a social life thanks to school) People get bored looking at a green board/white board like for a whole hour. What if we started doing more interactive stuff while in class, rather than a teacher yelling around and making us write a 9000 page book?
I know job-less people that actually they [/b]are very intelligent around.
So the question is folks, [b]why study?
I am 15 years old
>10th grader, never failed a grade.
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when i grow up i wanna be a game designer, not flash games... but rpg adventure action type. and if that fails i probs wanna become a physicist
why study History
So we can learn the mistakes of human history, never repeat them, and progress farther.
"Experience is simply the name we give our mistakes"
- Oscar Wilde
why make this mandatory for some schools?
Because there are children who are not overweight, but obese, some might say the government has no responsibility there, but I disagree. There are parents who will do nothing to counteract their their children's eating habits, or in some case enable it, in my opinion for the sole reason of those children alone, gym needs to be mandatory.
Education is extremely important for success. While you may not think it now, you will very likely use many of these skills in your future, especially if you want anything other than burger flipping asking people if they want fries with that.
The problem is that we live in a world where you need an education to get a well paying job, and to get the education you need to take classes that have nothing to do with the job you want to take. So of course you're better off with an education than without one, but that doesn't mean education is efficient!
In fact, if businesses started hiring more people without college education (people who can learn on the job), then there will be more people working for better pay without them having to waste both their time and money at college.
i see your point. but you know, i have the feeling that if we didnt study subjects like art, religion, gym etc. they would just be mean enough to make us study MORE MATH D:.
lol but anyway waking up early will haunt you for the rest of your life because after school you will have a job in which you will (probably) have to wake up early. so you just have to deal with that .
im working and i can eaily tell you that waking up for school is much nicer then work... espacially if its a work you dont like. at least you have breaks and friends at school.
i think thay they should teach us as many subjects as we can the younger we are and slowly let us choose our route (which they do in most places).
so what im trying to say....... dont lose hope, if you dont know what you want to be keep studying (or just going to school and get ok grades :3), if you know what you want to be start working about it now and just try to look at the bright side.
you have friends (you did say you have a good reputation so im guessing you have a few close friends), everytime you study art or something like that your NOT studying math :3. and one day you wont go to school so you have something to work for (although i and im pretty sure most people who finished it miss school).
hope this helps and isnt too boring XD
School is like a food menu, rather. They give you a lot of options, you study a bit of everything, science, languages, mathematics, sports etc. So you can make a somewhat informed decision what to study in college and/or what job would best suit you.
I think that's the idea. Anyway, one should do what he enjoys, school is not the most important thing in one's life, college is not mandatory and manual labor is not a shame.
nemo, you forgot about the entire trades industry lol.
making gym compulsorary is, cynically put, a way to make it look like something legislative is actually doing something for the good of a culture when it is obviously not. however there are certainly benefits to interpreting structured physical activity between classes...
Hello Emanuel. I'd like to start off by saying I'm 14 (15 in March), 10th Grade as well and I have my exams coming up.
From what I've been told, many politicians are historians as well and I think what you can gain from History (as with most lessons taught) is excellent self development.
I am no longer taught History or Geography, as I took I.T and Additional Science instead (I would prefer learning all 4 but that's not really an option), but the element of self development from History is astonishing, morality is the first to come to mind for me.
But History relates with everything in one way or another, because whilst you can think of hypothetical situations and whatnot it's always easier to look from a true perspective than one dredged up through imagination (being someone who used the imaginary path for most of his life, I can say this with certainty).
English could teach you to orate and look at the psychological effects of expression and words themselves. Science could teach you plenty about biology. History teaches you what actually happened with many things.
And art? I've barely seen the need to "learn" Art, hell, I look at some people and realize that it's not something you really need help with.
But that does bring me to my next thing: Social interaction.
Social interaction, as much as I hate to say it, is SO useful - chances are you are horrendously underestimating its capabilities even now. This can help three things:
1) Your oration, and how you put things
2) Your understanding of the subject (even explaining it to someone, which requires oration will help you with this)
3) Revision
and probably more.
Revision is unique to each person, but I have no doubt that talking about the subjects etc with people is astonishingly helpful.
Hell, how do you think you remember so easily about TV shows, Actors/resses and such? It didn't take me long to pick up that Julie Benz starred in Dexter, and she also starred in Supernatural.
As did Michael Shanks.
He starred in Stargate SG-1.
So did Beau Bridges.
He is Jeff Bridges' brother.
Jeff Bridges starred in Tron: Legacy.
Olivia Wilde starred in Tron.
She is starring in the new movie coming out, Cowboys and Aliens.
So is Daniel Craigford.
He is the new James Bond.
Epic segway.
Took less than 10 minutes to put that together, and that is from information I gained through a bit of searching because I wanted to know about the people who I enjoyed watching ^^
People get bored looking at a green board/white board like for a whole hour. What if we started doing more interactive stuff while in class, rather than a teacher yelling around and making us write a 9000 page book?
That was fairly rare, even before the whole GSCE thing going on, but now it's much more to do with discussions and it's incredibly easy to piece information you're given together.
I'm questioning how good your school is ^^
- H
however there are certainly benefits to interpreting structured physical activity between classes...
Or during classes! That would be something I would love to read on to see how it goes. They did do a study on physical activity while studying to show that kids were more focused and had increased blood flow, thus getting more out of their reading. I'll have to look more on that, but it's something to think about.
@ Freakenstein I think it was a study on Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder.
"Any physical activity, no matter how small, will increase the heart rate of the body. When heart rate increases, so does respiration, and blood vessels all over the body expand.This is the same physical reaction that gives athletes an edge in competition and activates the inherent fight-or-flight instinct for defensive situations."
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History is taught so that we have something to look back upon so the same mistakes aren't made. We can see how things worked out in a certain situation, so that if the situation arises again we know what to do.
As for art, its not exactly "taught." Most art classes are just for students to improve their skills, and maybe learn a couple tips from the teacher.
It's not just you, I really don't know many people who enjoy going to school. School is just stressful and there really isn't any way to make it less stressful. Try taking electives you enjoy to make your day more interesting. Everybody has that class that they can't stand going to, you just have to work through it.
With the early rise problem, some schools have applied the change of moving classes to one-two hours forward, allowing students to rest until 8-9AM. This poses a circulatory conundrum that is: what if the students then go to bed 1-2 hours later? It would defeat the purpose of implementing the new change.
It would actually help. Once somebody hits puberty their "internal clock" changes. Teenagers naturally fall asleep and wake up later. Also, teenagers are just naturally sleepy in the morning and don't fully wake up until 10-11am. School that changed times to start an hour or two later saw less absences, less tardiness, and improved grades among students.
Art is also good. Music, literature and just drawing are all good types of art. And it helps practice creativity. Your imagination is very important.
I am not denying that. I am just saying that there are a lot of people running around with a liberal arts degree expecting a job, and there really is no market for any of that! If they had actually studied something which could help, for lack of a better term, advance society, like computer engineering, or law, or business, or something. I am not saying that art is not an important part of society, however there are just too many "artists" who would have no chance at selling their art on E-bay, much less an art show.
gym needs to be mandatory.
Gym doesn't need to be mandatory. There should be an opt-out option if someone plays school-sanctioned sports. I opted out of gym class, and I play tennis, which covers more than enough. Had I not opted out, I would not have been able to double down on science, which I was recommended to do so.
Let me bring up another question. Is it the right thing to do to force people to get their education in such a young age? This way, most of the people never understand the value of their efforts, they put very few energy in study, living a hateful present and preparing a regretful future. Would it be better if people had to face education in a more mature phase of their lives, and only when they have already a better idea of how the world goes, and how it will go?
I've never had to study (or even pay attention in class, really) in order to maintain high straight As, and that remains true for my 9th grade year right now, but I'm totally f**ked if I DO need to start studying because I have no study habits.
Anyway, history and art are mostly there for self-development and to provide a varied educational experience. You can't fill 7 hours with math and english and expect the students all to be able to survive it. Also, history is HUGE for writing skills in high school. I've made more progress with formal writing in 8 weeks of AP World History than I have in 8 years of english class.
and only when they have already a better idea of how the world goes, and how it will go?
It really wouldn't work like that without the knowledge.
I think it is incredibly obvious that knowledge can only be for the better if you have the wisdom to use it correctly. Therefore teaching a young person has no harm on them, and aside from the lack of time they have to themselves, only provides benefit.
I've never had to study (or even pay attention in class, really) in order to maintain high straight As, and that remains true for my 9th grade year right now,
9th Grade year?
Wait... explain please, because I'm hoping I misinterpreted.
but I'm totally f**ked if I DO need to start studying because I have no study habits.
Same but once I hit Year 10 that changed. I do more work than others being as I'm a student on the council, where last week I had to take the day with a full Law / Business course off to do confidential work (interviews). I revised for both of those sessions (which was around 5 hours of work) in about 30 minutes and I'm basically back on track. Quite strange, especially being as a huge deal of it still remains in my head. :O
You can't fill 7 hours with math and english and expect the students all to be able to survive it.
Don't want to sound like a *insert bad noun here* but I could. I don't see what peoples' problem is when it comes to concentrating for prolonged periods of time.
Then again I did used to revise over History back when I was like... 6... it's funny because I feel incredibly dedicated to my work now where I know for a fact that the amount of discipline I had when I was around that age was absolutely phenomonal in comparison.
I've made more progress with formal writing in 8 weeks of AP World History than I have in 8 years of english class.
English has always sucked for me. Oration for me came through thinking about it after playing Mass Effect II, thinking about it at a very young age (6-9 years), and on Armor Games where your point or expression could completely change because you lacked a single word ^^
I've developed my English skills from games and this forum for the last two years, whereas English really hasn't benefited me, all it's done is give me more to write about that quite frankly is NOT applicable to me.
Then again I do need to write about Saving Private Ryan, which I could do right now if I wanted - I'm not going to, I think I'm going to literally ask my teacher if I can write out my assessment at home or something. Saving Private Ryan is something I'd care about because of its illustration of WWII, same with Band of Brothers and The Pacific.
Aside from that it's only moral complexities that gets me truely interested - Frankenstein's Monster, for example we had to write about.
Spamspam. Point being - each lesson has its traits, take them for what they are and grow on them. And NEVER get confused if it's something you need to learn, it can hinder you greatly. If you do, swipe your memory clean of what confused you and relearn it.
Bye!
- H
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