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ChillzMaster
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Half day today.
Got out of High School at 12:15.
Went to the middle school to say "hey" to some 8th graders,
walked with my friend back home,
walked to my local SUBWAY to make some lunch and collect my paycheck, hung out at my friend's house,
complained about the taxes on my paycheck.
Had Mom drive me to cash paycheck.
Went to local Independent Game Retailer to complain some more about taxes on my paycheck.
Acquired Battlefield 3, and prepared to play the game me and Highfire have been screaming about for the past half-year+.

Thirty-odd minutes in, I'm in the jet mission. I look around at the scenery, the various aircraft carriers scattered around the ocean as the Jet Fighters scramble. After a quick weapons and utilities check, my jet screams as it takes off. I am instantly greeted with this song (at the 1:00 minute mark) and burst into tears as the beauty around me breaks Your Friendly Neighborhood Satanist into a bawling baby.

The gunplay is solid, the graphics are astounding (I know graphics are unimportant in determining the quality of a game, but its worth noticing that I yelled "WHOA!" more than once playing the first four levels of this game), the multiplayer is back and the best I've played (yes Reach, you take that 2nd place spot), the Frostbite 2 engine makes the CryEngine look like the old "Wolfenstein 3D Engine", and as mentioned above, the "Dun dun dun, DAH-DUN DUN!" score brings the entire project together in a blaze of glory for DICE and EA.

Now, let me get this out of the way, since MW3 doesn't come out for 2 weeks and I don't plan on playing it 'till X-mas....

Best Engine? Yes. Best Multiplayer? Yes. Best set-pieces? Yes. Best Achievements/Trophies? Yes. Best Score? Yes.

....

CoD Killer? I think so.

-Chillz gives DICE's masterpiece a 10/10, a rating only shared in his books by two other games, Mass Effect 2 and Halo Reach.

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dudeguy45
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Battlefield 3 DLC, coming out on the PS3 first. Nice change of pace.

I love their motto, "Above and Beyond the Call". They are soooooo dissing CoD.

Highfire
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... The last 2 paragraphs Maverick said were utter fail, as far as I'm concerned.
The comparison was the most awful I've seen, the points raised were nowhere near indepth enough - hence why the conclusion is simply wrong (no, not inaccurate or anything like that - they are wrong), and one of the points specifically (open map, fluid game style, vehicles) barely relates to the point of the map itself.
It was a beta and vehicle warfare clearly wasn't the focus at that point - you're judging it for something that it isn't trying to be. Why don't I judge Battlefield for an arcade-shooter, Halo for a realistic shooter and Call of Duty for a future-shooter?

Operation Metro offers transitional and excellently done infantry combat throughout the entirety of the map. Vehicle combat would be Caspian Border and other maps - this approach allows much more variety and as such Operation Metro is far from a bad thing.


Flashlights may be a little too powerful but I don't know as I don't necessarily need to see my enemy in order to accurately shoot at him - the middle of the flash is quite easily an excellently place to start. However it does take priority over pretty much anything else in that accessory slot when it comes to close quarter combat.

Battlefield 3 DLC, coming out on the PS3 first. Nice change of pace.

1) Back to Karkand?
2) Did you just say that it coming out for the PS3 first is a nice change of pace? W'ut?
3) If not, then what did you mean to be the "nice change of pace"?

I love their motto, "Above and Beyond the Call". They are soooooo dissing CoD.

... Yeah, they've done that more than once before. But really? "Dissing"?
That so old tags bruv, you not on the hypeting like de rest of us, cuz.
... Simply put, dumb way of putting it.

And yes I am a cynical tyrant.

- H
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But really? "Dissing"?


They are soooooooo steppin' on CoD.

And I mean that usually, or at least for CoD, DLC comes out on Xbox first.
Maverick4
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the points raised were nowhere near indepth enough - hence why the conclusion is simply wrong


I hated the beta, hence I will not be buying the game. Thats concluding enough for me.

It was a beta and vehicle warfare clearly wasn't the focus at that point - you're judging it for something that it isn't trying to be


There were certain things I wanted to see, and the beta did not supply on them. Why I waste 60 of my hard earned dollars and risk getting dissapointed again? Last time I checked, BF was big on the vehicles... so where are all the vehicles? Its a legitimate point I think.

Operation Metro offers transitional and excellently done infantry combat throughout the entirety of the map


Because if fighting in a field isn't fun, waiting five minutes and fighting in a subway is. It played just like I CoD game, and I didn't enjoy it one bit. And I'm fairly confident in my ability to tell what I do and do not like.

So if you like the game, fine. But I dont.
AcidicAce
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Because if fighting in a field isn't fun, waiting five minutes and fighting in a subway is. It played just like I CoD game, and I didn't enjoy it one bit.


If I can recall the one thing that Battlefield and CoD share is that they're both in the FPS genre. Not to mention they are both based around conflicts between forces that are familiar, and are in the modern era.. So if you're really looking for something different than CoD you're better off finding a new genre to play.

There were certain things I wanted to see, and the beta did not supply on them. Why I waste 60 of my hard earned dollars and risk getting dissapointed again? Last time I checked, BF was big on the vehicles... so where are all the vehicles? Its a legitimate point I think.


Sure the beta didn't have vehicles, but why complain? They could have just released the game without a beta. And like everyone has been saying, you're stupid if you based your impression of the full game off of the beta. That either means you can't read the disclaimer that said it didn't represent the final product in any way or you're just sadly uninformed.

I love the game but I'm actually starting to get a little sick of it and I realized that was part of the reason I started to hate CoD. You try to play as much as you can so you can unlock everything, but once you have it, it gets boring. The thing that battlefield has to keep the excitement is more scenarios for you to encounter with vehicles, and different classes.
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2) Did you just say that it coming out for the PS3 first is a nice change of pace? W'ut?
3) If not, then what did you mean to be the "nice change of pace


I don't know if it comes out 1st for ps3 but it is "a nice change of pace" since every CoD map pack was released on Xbox 1st and Skyrim will only bring out DLC in the 1st month for Xbox and then for ps3 and pc. So I kind a like it that PS3 gets it 1st. Not that I have one.

But i just don't think BTF isn't BTF anymore. I remember the real BTF action from 1942 where you had planes fighting planes but also tanks, jeeps and infantry, and where they actually did bombing work to support their teammates. And where, just like real life infantry isn't uberpowerfull.
Maverick4
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you're stupid if you based your impression of the full game off of the beta


Meh. Some people would say I'm a very stupid person. Unreasonalbe, too.

But then, why have the Beta? Its supposed to be an 'appetizer', if you will, of the game. If I hate the Beta, why would I get the game?
ChillzMaster
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But then, why have the Beta? Its supposed to be an 'appetizer', if you will, of the game. If I hate the Beta, why would I get the game?


Beta's are there for one main purpose, to debug by doing a mass game test. It's a great way of sorting out various bugs and problems within your game in various online scenarios without having to hire 50,000 game testers, and you let the people play your game for a little bit while they wait for the actual release while you're at it.

It's by no means a "demo", of which is the thing you're describing, but instead an unfinished product going through a debugging phase.

Remember, Beta =/= demo. Demo = game "appetizer", as you have so artfully put it.

-Chillz
AcidicAce
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Remember, Beta =/= demo. Demo = game "appetizer", as you have so artfully put it.


Exactly I hate it when people say they didn't like the beta so they won't like the game. They don't put the "This version doesn't represent the end product" in the beta for nothing.
Highfire
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I hated the beta, hence I will not be buying the game. Thats concluding enough for me.

For you maybe - but you know why you hated it.
Put yourself in my shoes (size 7) ^^

Why I waste 60 of my hard earned dollars and risk getting dissapointed again?

Not worth the risk is a valid point - though you didn't say that :O

Last time I checked, BF was big on the vehicles... so where are all the vehicles? Its a legitimate point I think.

If you didn't know they were going to have vehicle warfare then you didn't research a great deal. :P
It's a matter of trust - I trust DICE and if you don't I'm cool with that, but you just seemed to give a "meh" reason for most of the things you said

Because if fighting in a field isn't fun, waiting five minutes and fighting in a subway is.

Throughout the course of the game it changes - and that is a cool thing.

It played just like I CoD game, and I didn't enjoy it one bit.

You play very... poorly then? There are a mighty ton of ways to play Battlefield and many of the effective ones are far from familiar to CoD, all the little differences and furthermore the bigger ones have huge / massive implications on the game, respectively.

And I'm fairly confident in my ability to tell what I do and do not like.

But why?

So if you like the game, fine. But I dont.

Yeah, but there's no need whatsoever to put a full stop on it, trying to convince you shouldn't have any restrictions, and honestly if you don't let that attempt go through, it's going to be your loss in every scenario.

So if you're really looking for something different than CoD you're better off finding a new genre to play.

Very valid. CoD is quite basic in a lot of its properties and FPSs will always be like it in that sense.

I don't know if it comes out 1st for ps3 but it is "a nice change of pace" since every CoD map pack was released on Xbox 1st and Skyrim will only bring out DLC in the 1st month for Xbox and then for ps3 and pc. So I kind a like it that PS3 gets it 1st. Not that I have one.

It's not really a nice change of pace though - infact it's equally bad. Well... not bad as much as unfortunate that they can't all be released at the same time but hey, it may be useful to someone on the PS3 :>

And where, just like real life infantry isn't uberpowerfull.

Everything is fragile in real life. The lack of power in weapons etc in previous Battlefield games were quite absurd and allowed very little combat to actually initiate.

Meh. Some people would say I'm a very stupid person. Unreasonalbe, too.

It's a valid point - not taking the risk =/= not liking the game because you did not like the Beta. It depends which argument you are using to explain why you are not getting it.

But then, why have the Beta? Its supposed to be an 'appetizer', if you will, of the game. If I hate the Beta, why would I get the game?

*Facedesk*
Please learn what a Beta is before you construe it and such the contents of the final game incorrectly.

Betas aren't necessarily supposed to be great, usually they're made to get feedback from users and to clean up the bugs and stuff.

I like how you put in "usually", as lately Betas have been used as glorified marketing techniques but still the point stands, in this case as well, that the Beta is a pre-release version of the game to gain feedback from players and to detect less apparent bugs and etc.

- H
AcidicAce
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Very valid. CoD is quite basic in a lot of its properties and FPSs will always be like it in that sense.


CoD is the FPS for new gamers. But then you realize CoD isn't as in depth as it could be and you graduate towards better games like Battlefield. The only problem I have now is that Battlefield is more popular and there are more CoD players migrating over bringing their stupid 360 ladderstall BS, and the notion that if you have the chance use explosives/grenade launchers whenever possible. Battlefield is a serious game, and most CoD players aren't mature enough for it.
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The only problem I have now is that Battlefield is more popular

Where did you get that from? I am fairly certain that CoD is still more popular but that doesn't take away from the immense fanbase Battlefield has.
In real life there are only two people I know who played Battlefield, one is my father who's a vet, and the second is my brother whom's been playing CoD4 for the last... 4 years I think. He only just got BF3.

And is shockingly bad in my previously mentioned gaming attitude. He plays CoD4 at a high level from what I know (he went in the i43), but he comes into Battlefield with so many pet peeves with it that truly don't make sense - such as no bunny-hopping being a problem, bullet fall...
And then he sometimes goes on about balance... ugh.
He is, quite simply, a newbie with Battlefield - he used to play Battlefield 2, sure, but nowhere near at a suitable level and nowhere near long enough to know how the game worked on its most intricate levels.

Although it should be noted that being as neither CoD nor Battlefield caters to a higher level playerbase that calls on simplistic balance, like the noobtube I wouldn't say is out of an average players' league, so long as they argue reasonably.

In this sense I feel somewhat beyond my brother in terms of being a gamer, despite not playing a single game as well (although it should be mentioned that SCII > CoD in terms of skill requirements from everything I've seen concerning those two games).

Battlefield is a serious game, and most CoD players aren't mature enough for it.

Hardly a serious game, really. I mean, no game is truly serious unless you're doing a private match or training - neither of those occur in a public match for the reasons:
1) People aren't your skill level, fighting someone too hard or too easy doesn't provide much.
2) Your occupation in a game like Battlefield could be compromised with another person is on the Minigun of a Helicopter.
3) It's not like you've the right to join a server and demand, or even expect a specific level of play from people - if I join a game with random players, even if they're level 30 on League of Legends I do not expect much from them. What I do expect from random players actually only transfers to the Starcraft II ladder, and even so they're quite low...

They could be new, they could be veterans - I actually don't mind in the cases of Starcraft II or League of Legends, since I can practice macro / scouting or just get back the feel of the game, respectively.

- H
AcidicAce
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The only problem I have now is that Battlefield is more popular.


I meant that it is has become more popular. I know MW3 will outsell it, but it's the quality of the game not how many people buy it. Dice could have just did what CoD does and reuse the frostbite engine for new games.

Hardly a serious game, really.


I guess, but I take it more seriously and I don't want the idiots from CoD coming in and ruining the community of such an awesomely put together game. A big reason I stopped playing CoD is because everyone tries to act cool and do the most outrageous things they can pull off, like the infamous quickscoping.
Highfire
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I meant that it is has become more popular.

Oh, my apologies ^^

I guess, but I take it more seriously and I don't want the idiots from CoD coming in and ruining the community of such an awesomely put together game.

I take it you haven't seen the Battlefield 3 forums?
If there is going to be an awesome community in Battlefield, it'll likely be the community that kicks and / or bans poor / arrogant / selfish / uninterested players.

- H
AcidicAce
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it'll likely be the community that kicks and / or bans poor / arrogant / selfish / uninterested players.


And that won't happen. Thank god I don't have to listen to other players, or I think battlefield would be ruined for me.
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