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bobbyr5
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I just feel the morals and ethics of the middle east aren't right compared to any western country.

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thepunisher93
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Who was living there before the Palestinians? And before the Romans, Greeks, Babylonians, Jews, Persians, Christians, oh wait, that's a lot of people who have lived there, so why do the Palestinians get to claim it over everyone else?

Because they were the last people living there and they have not given up yet
And you tell me, why jews should live in palestine?(or Israel as u may call it)
Actually, you did, a few pages back.

As long as Israel exists, noone can assure that no civilian death will happen.

Killing civilians is not acceptible but as far as Israelis are concerned, They are treapassers for palestinians.

These were your earlier statements. Don't try to worm out of it.

I im not worming out(I dont know what that means but i think it means something bad)
Both things which I said are facts simple as that.
As long as illegitmate state of Israel exists in middle east, no human being can assure u no civilian deaths and yes every occupied nation sees occupants as tresspassers, so does palestinians and no one treats tresspassers nicely.
The Palestinian people, also referred to as Palestinians r Palestinian Arabs, are an Arabic-speaking people with origins in Palestine.

Furthermore, the Palestinian National Charter, as amended by the PLO's Palestine National Council in July 1968, defined "Palestinians" as "those Arab nationals who, until 1947, normally resided in Palestine regardless of whether they were evicted from it or stayed there. Anyone born, after that date, of a Palestinian father â�" whether in Palestine or outside it â�" is also a Palestinian."

Now tell me. When did the Arabs arrive in the region? The 7th Century.

or it can b qouted as
The Palestinian people, also referred to as Palestinians r Palestinian Arabs, are an Arabic-speaking people with origins in Palestine.

Furthermore, the Palestinian National Charter, as amended by the PLO's Palestine National Council in July 1968, defined "Palestinians" as "those Arab nationals who, until 1947, normally resided in Palestine regardless of whether they were evicted from it or stayed there. Anyone born, after that date, of a Palestinian father â�" whether in Palestine or outside it â�" is also a Palestinian."

Now tell me. When did the Arabs arrive in the region? The 7th Century.

637 AD to b precise.
and whats your point with that?
thepunisher93
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I know one thing now, u guys dont have any valid point to make so u r just dragging this conversation on and on.

nichodemus
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Because they were the last people living there and they have not given up yet
And you tell me, why jews should live in palestine?(or Israel as u may call it)


Mainly because they're ancestors and they lived there once. Same reason why the Palestinians should live there.

or it can b qouted as
The Palestinian people, also referred to as Palestinians r Palestinian Arabs, are an Arabic-speaking people with origins in Palestine.

Furthermore, the Palestinian National Charter, as amended by the PLO's Palestine National Council in July 1968, defined "Palestinians" as "those Arab nationals who, until 1947, normally resided in Palestine regardless of whether they were evicted from it or stayed there. Anyone born, after that date, of a Palestinian father â�" whether in Palestine or outside it â�" is also a Palestinian."



Your bolding prooves nothing. The PLO defines Palestinians as people who have Arabic roots and lived in the Palestine. Arabic. Again, the Arabs came in the 7th Century.

My point? They were not the first there. The Jews lived there first. Heard of the Roman Jewish Wars? That was at least a thousand years before, not counting the Israelites who lived there before Alexander the Great even invaded.


As long as illegitmate state of Israel exists in middle east, no human being can assure u no civilian deaths and yes every occupied nation sees occupants as tresspassers, so does palestinians and no one treats tresspassers nicely.


I am not objecting to Israel leaving the areas where the Palestinians are the majority, the West Bank, Gaza Strip etc. My point is that Israel has a right to exist, as does Palestine as a nation.

I see no reason why they were ''trespassers'' if they were limited to the areas given to them in the Partition, where they got the areas with a native Jewish majority.
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I know one thing now, u guys dont have any valid point to make so u r just dragging this conversation on and on.


I am actually laughing myself off my chair. It is you, who keeps declaring that Israel is illegal and such, without backing it up with evidence. It is you who keeps stating statements that have no meat to back it up.


And your arguments that the Palestinians coming first? That was a flop. And your argument that civilian deaths are ok because they are trespassers? It shows how little humanity you have. And your willingness to resort to violence? Shows how much of a monster you are.

I'm not going to mince my words on this one, and it is perfectly within the rules of the Forum because I'm not attacking you based on personal reasons. I am attacking your views and by extension by reason of your ''arguments''. It is our right as participants in the Forum to point out anything outside a rational argument.
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Oh, and worming out means that you suddenly try to cover up and change your statement to make it seem more palatable. You initially said that it was ok to shoot Israeli civilians as shown above, but later did a 180 degree turn and twisted your words to mean that although civilian deaths are regrettable, because Israel is a trespasser, it means the lives of Israeli citizens cannot be guaranteed. That disgusts me, and surely disgusts every one who has a modicum of caring here.

thepunisher93
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Mainly because they're ancestors and they lived there once. Same reason why the Palestinians should live there.

Yeah u mean like before christ ryte. If u say they have right to live there because their ancestors lived there 2000 years ago then u should b ready to give up north america to red indians. and one more thing arabs are there for 1300 years and americans for less than 300 years.
Your bolding prooves nothing. The PLO defines Palestinians as people who have Arabic roots and lived in the Palestine. Arabic. Again, the Arabs came in the 7th Century.

Ur bolding highlited their arab heritage and my bolding highlights their palestinian origin.
My point? They were not the first there. The Jews lived there first. Heard of the Roman Jewish Wars? That was at least a thousand years before, not counting the Israelites who lived there before Alexander the Great even invaded.

This is the worst argument ever,
Its like I going to Burma and claiming some land saying that my (great*100) grand father owned this land so i have a right on it.
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I see no reason why they were ''trespassers'' if they were limited to the areas given to them in the Partition, where they got the areas with a native Jewish majority.

Because that partition was ilegitmate in itself.
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And your arguments that the Palestinians coming first? That was a flop. And your argument that civilian deaths are ok because they are trespassers? It shows how little humanity you have. And your willingness to resort to violence? Shows how much of a monster you are.

yes i am a monster, monster for things which i preceive as wrong.
Yes that was stupid of me toclaim something i could not give a source of but I was confident that I will find a source for it but unfortunately i didnt find it.
Oh, and worming out means that you suddenly try to cover up and change your statement to make it seem more palatable. You initially said that it was ok to shoot Israeli civilians as shown above, but later did a 180 degree turn and twisted your words to mean that although civilian deaths are regrettable, because Israel is a trespasser, it means the lives of Israeli citizens cannot be guaranteed. That disgusts me, and surely disgusts every one who has a modicum of caring here.

did i say that its okay to kill israelis, did i?
no I dont think so,
u r trying to relate something to me which i did not say.
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then u should b ready to give up north america to red indians. and one more thing arabs are there for 1300 years and americans for less than 300 years.


American Indians still live in America. Totally different from you advocating the destruction of Israel. In fact, they even have autonomy. There are 562 federally recognized tribal governments in the United States. These tribes possess the right to form their own governments, to enforce laws (both civil and criminal) within their lands, to tax, to establish requirements for membership, to license and regulate activities, to zone and to exclude persons from tribal territories.

Ur bolding highlited their arab heritage and my bolding highlights their palestinian origin.


Which is but one determining factor. My point was that yes, they had Palestinian origins, BUT they also had to have Arab roots as stated by the PLO charter.

This is the worst argument ever,
Its like I going to Burma and claiming some land saying that my (great*100) grand father owned this land so i have a right on it.


It's the exact argument you have been giving. The Palestinians were here first, so oh, they should destroy Israel!

Well, then your entire argument should fall too.

Because that partition was ilegitmate in itself.


The British at that time formed the government which governed the Palestinian/Jewish people. They had a right to recommend a partition, just like Belgium almost did a few years ago. The areas which had a majority of NATIVE Jews or Palestinians had a right to secede. Do you get it? The areas which were allotted to the Jews had a majority of NATIVE Jews. Jews who have been living in Palestine as long as and probably longer than the Palestinian Arabs. Which goes without say, that portions of Palestine belonged to them.
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did i say that its okay to kill israelis, did i?
no I dont think so,
u r trying to relate something to me which i did not say.


Do you actually want me to dig up your dirty laundry again? Fine.

As for civilian deaths by Hamas as long as u keep expanding Israel that wont stop.

(This is you implicitly condoning it)

Remember this
not every conflict be resolved by force and neither can every conflict b resolved by talking.

(This is you stating that negotiations will not work, hence only continued fighting will work. Which as Hamas has demonstrated, involves shooting rockets into the homes of Israelis)

conflict is not over until one of the parties surrenders or is annihlated or both parties come to some understanding.

(Since your previous statement rules out negotiations, you have opted for the annihilation of the Jews/Israelis.)

As long as Israel exist, peace in middle east is just a child's dream.

( And here you are, stating that war with Israel will continue until it is destroyed).
thepunisher93
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American Indians still live in America. Totally different from you advocating the destruction of Israel. In fact, they even have autonomy. There are 562 federally recognized tribal governments in the United States. These tribes possess the right to form their own governments, to enforce laws (both civil and criminal) within their lands, to tax, to establish requirements for membership, to license and regulate activities, to zone and to exclude persons from tribal territories.

May be, but they no longer own the whole of the continent which they once did.
It's the exact argument you have been giving. The Palestinians were here first, so oh, they should destroy Israel!

Well, then your entire argument should fall too.

Goi back a few pages and u ll see i discredited my own argument myself (I played along that for a while to show its flaw)
The British at that time formed the government which governed the Palestinian/Jewish people. They had a right to recommend a partition, just like Belgium almost did a few years ago. The areas which had a majority of NATIVE Jews or Palestinians had a right to secede. Do you get it? The areas which were allotted to the Jews had a majority of NATIVE Jews. Jews who have been living in Palestine as long as and probably longer than the Palestinian Arabs. Which goes without say, that portions of Palestine belonged to them.

Actually there wee not many jews in 1920 they were systematically settled there in preceding period by British government.Here is a source. and another one
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Do you actually want me to dig up your dirty laundry again? Fine.

As for civilian deaths by Hamas as long as u keep expanding Israel that wont stop.

(This is you implicitly condoning it)

Remember this
not every conflict be resolved by force and neither can every conflict b resolved by talking.

(This is you stating that negotiations will not work, hence only continued fighting will work. Which as Hamas has demonstrated, involves shooting rockets into the homes of Israelis)

conflict is not over until one of the parties surrenders or is annihlated or both parties come to some understanding.

(Since your previous statement rules out negotiations, you have opted for the annihilation of the Jews/Israelis.)

As long as Israel exist, peace in middle east is just a child's dream.

( And here you are, stating that war with Israel will continue until it is destroyed).

these are just some facts, thats all.
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May be, but they no longer own the whole of the continent which they once did.


Unlike the Palestinians, they have been assimilated, and virtually all of them consider themselves ''Americans'' rather than ''Native Indians''. Most of them have no want for an independent state.


Goi back a few pages and u ll see i discredited my own argument myself (I played along that for a while to show its flaw)


Link or no cigar. Also, I'm pretty sure you weren't playing along, given that your entire argument consisted of just that. Classic case of worming out.

Actually there wee not many jews in 1920 they were systematically settled there in preceding period by British government.Here is a source. and another one


Acknowledged, but that does not take into account the areas that already had a Jewish majority. Also, you forgot to actually take into account that tens/hundreds of thousands of Arabs moved into the Palestine at that time. I suppose you can discount them from owning any land going by your argument.


these are just some facts, thats all.


So, now you actually came clean. Killing Israelis and wiping out innocents is just another ''fact'' of life for you. A fact is an axiom, and indisputable statement, such as, the Earth is round. If killing is a justified fact for you, then you are not a human at all. My disgust for you knows no bounds since you encourage bloodshed.
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If Israel is based on reason that Israelis lived here 3000 years ago(although modern day palestinians are desndents of people who lived b4 jews) Then USA should go to to red Indians, Australia to Aboriginals.(So this is the lamest excuse)

Noe give me my cigar, make it peach flavored.
Unlike the Palestinians, they have been assimilated, and virtually all of them consider themselves ''Americans'' rather than ''Native Indians''. Most of them have no want for an independent state

Yeah and once there was time when they were killed ruthlessly(find a source urself cuz as far as i know this is common knowledge)
Link or no cigar. Also, I'm pretty sure you weren't playing along, given that your entire argument consisted of just that. Classic case of worming out.

first u say give a source abd now call it worming out.
I know i made my argument on that point but that like "They think this so make them deny it"
Acknowledged, but that does not take into account the areas that already had a Jewish majority. Also, you forgot to actually take into account that tens/hundreds of thousands of Arabs moved into the Palestine at that time. I suppose you can discount them from owning any land going by your argument.

yes u r right that is palestinian land they have a right to welcome some one or kick someone out.
So, now you actually came clean. Killing Israelis and wiping out innocents is just another ''fact'' of life for you. A fact is an axiom, and indisputable statement, such as, the Earth is round. If killing is a justified fact for you, then you are not a human at all. My disgust for you knows no bounds since you encourage bloodshed.

Well what can I say to a guy like u?
Other then "every action have a reaction."
and u this disgust is making me laugh on how emotional u r.
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If Israel is based on reason that Israelis lived here 3000 years ago(although modern day palestinians are desndents of people who lived b4 jews) Then USA should go to to red Indians, Australia to Aboriginals.(So this is the lamest excuse)


Modern day Palestinians as defined by the PLO are not descendents of people who lived there before the Jews. We have clarified that already.

Yes, it might be a lame excuse, but it's also the main argument you and the PLO have put forth. The PLO states that Israel should not exist precisely because the Palestinian Arabs have lived on the land before them. If you want to argue for the PLO, then argue with the reasoning they have put forth.

Yeah and once there was time when they were killed ruthlessly(find a source urself cuz as far as i know this is common knowledge)


Yes, and so? They have been killed in the past, but the American government has not put that barbaric practice into action for a century. Furthermore, the American government provides compensation for using the natural resources of the sovereign lands of the Native Indians.

Funds distributed to a person of Indian descent may represent mineral lease income on property that is held in trust by the United States or compensation for lands taken in connection with governmental projects. Some Indian tribes receive benefits from the federal government in fulfillment of treaty obligations or for the extraction of tribal natural resources â" a percentage of which may be distributed as per capita among the tribe's membership.

That being said, the PLO's charter cannot be compared to such examples. The Americans have let the Indians have autonomy, and pay them for the use of their land. Native Indians have civil groups that are able to take up to court any grievances they have with the Federal government. The Palestinian leadership instead wants utter annihilation. Frankly, it's insulting to compare the two.


first u say give a source abd now call it worming out.
I know i made my argument on that point but that like "They think this so make them deny it"


I'm not going to be a meanie and slam your English, but I cannot even understand this statement.

yes u r right that is palestinian land they have a right to welcome some one or kick someone out.


You misinterpret my point AGAIN. Your point was that the Jews immigrated hence the land isn't theirs. Fair enough. But my point and link clearly shows that a large portion of Arabs have migrated to Palestine during the same era. If they are considered Palestinians by the PLO, then the Jews who migrated there before 1947 should be counted as well.

and u this disgust is making me laugh on how emotional u r.


I'd rather have human emotions like grief, than be a stone-hearted person like you who thinks might is right.

Other then "every action have a reaction."


And hence, don't blame the IDF for targeting civilian camps hiding militants. Because every action has a reaction. Since the PLO has not accepted the moderate road, then don't complain about the Israelis oppressing the Palestinians.
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