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I sincerely hope that you only mean Israel is defending their home on this one. Last time I checked, firing rockets into civilian homes and schools and slashing the throats of families is not "defending your home."

Do I think that a nation for Kurds should be established? Yes. However, it should be done through negotiations. When the Mandate of Palestine was ended by the Brits, they broke it up into an Arab nation, and a Jewish nation (the latter was much smaller than the former). The Jewish nation accepted this immediately, but the Arabs attacked. Technically, it was the Brits who made the Jewish State, the UN just rubber stamped it.

Palestine was their colony, after all.

Also, following that logic, should Utah become its own Mormon nation? Just another example.

They take over the land by force.

Absurd

And PLO is right, right in the sense that B4 israel there were only palestinians.

and u misinterpreted my point I said palestinians own the land and as an owner they have the righ to welcome some one or not welcome someone but jews came under the supervision of brits.

But u react too much emotionaly, thats not a good thing.

Against public's will.

That is the most stupid thing I ever heard noone is mad enough to kill someone without a reason unless laws allow him to.

Mark my words this aint gonna happen either.

How..

Doesn't matter, in the past, kings were in charge wether people agreed with them too.

Palestinians in Israel get a vote in the government.

A) Yes, plenty of crazy people will kill for no reason.
B) Why do you think 0 Jews live in Libya?

They don't need to, they want to. And once again, you can't make the statement "it's their country" unless it's an accepted fact, and so far it's not even slightly accepted.

And again, before the Pals, the Arabs, before the Arabs, the Christians, before the Christians, the Romans, before the Romans, the Babylonians, before the Babylonians, the Jews, before them, Canaanites, who no longer have any traced desendents. Also, if your argument is that Canaanites are the first Pals, that is incorrect, since "Palestine" was only a name of the region given by the Romans. Again, the Arabs don't have a letter "P" so how would they be called Palestinians?

And you react like a heartless jerk, that's not a good thing.

Ok, since you implicatly support the Palestinian side, that means that again you are advocating for the destruction of Israel, along with its people. This is why me and nicho are disgusted by you, because you seem to have no respect for the lives of Israeli citizens!

Taliban, al-Qaeda, other Islamic terrorist organizations...

Oh, time for a fun fact, guess how many Afghan Jews in Afghanistan there are?

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Area 51 is government property, and a military base. I just can't go to Camp David and demand to live there. I would have to be close to the President in some way. That example of yours holds no water. And also, the Palestinians have the right to vote in Israel. If a Palistinian State was astablished, would you object to having Jews vote?

Well, if you are going religiously, than yes, that is exactly why the land belongs to the Jews. However, your argument about the UN voting to give the land to Egypt is a moot point because any such move would likely have to go through the UN Security Council, and the US would shoot it down, and most likely not a single country on the council at the time would vote to pass such a measure.

A) You refuse to take in any evidence given by us, and ramble on. Classic example was the whole ''Who Came First'' argument, which we showed with numerous sources, including the PLO charter, to belong to the Jews.

B) After you had your argument wiped, you wormed out of it.

C) You never put in any points or reason apart from ''Kill all Israelis'', ''Israel shouldn't exist'', ''Israel needs to be destroyed as a state''. Such statements are mere statements without valid arguments, which you have not proven or given.

D) You have thoroughly broken Forum Rules by showing contempt and hostility and making such remarks towards the Israelis, which is a no-no.

Have the Mormons cried out for a newer state? No. The thing is, a Mormon is still an American. Religion and nationality are divided most of the time. But for the Israelis and Palestinian Arabs, religion IS part of their nationality. Do you get where I'm coming from?

It was given over to them, and the extra land was land they took when the Arabs turned into aggressors first after 1948. It's their fault they got a bloodied nose.

A single word constitutes not an argument. If you're going to play that way, I'm just going to label your arguments ''absurd'' or ''silly'' and then claim my argument is superior. Which is not a debate.

And before the Palestinians, there were the Jews of the Israelite Kingdoms. Really, how many times must we point it out that the Palestinian Arabs arrived centuries after these Jews? And, didn't you say that you think such time-based arguments are illogical? Then why are you using it again?

Nope. It was part of the British Empire, so I suppose they would have the right to welcome people or not? Furthermore, there were Jewish majority areas, so I see no reason why they can't welcome their own people.

Care to give evidence? Since you claim might is right, the British did conquer Palestine, and had a right to do as they please. By your logic.

This is the single most hypocritical statement ever. Do you want me to link you to all the quotes you posted about killing all Israelis again?

Then don't expect the Israelis to budge. A military war is never winnable by the Palestinians, so if both sides refuse to negotiate, don't ever expect a Palestinian state.

Well after the state of Israel emerged Israeli nationality was revived after 2000 years.

It was given over to them unjustly, against the will of locals so locals and their allies had and still have a right to resist and they still are resisting.

I think their should be a dislike button on AG so you could not rant about me giving a one worded comment.

Jews consisted around 10 percent in 1920.Then they were colonised by brits so that they became 30 percent in 1948.
Look a few pages back for the source as im tired of dealing with the same thing again and again.

I dont need an evidence because it is obvious.Other wise resistence would never ever had happened.

Like "Killing civilians is not acceptable but I can not speak for someone who lost some family member ti IDF"(not word by word but something like this)

Its hard but not impossible.

And resisting has proven futile. Well, in that case Pakistan shouldn't exist since after the Hindu majority locals (All the Indians in India, Muslim or not), disagreed that Pakistan should be allowed to secede. Again, by your logic.

Yes. Let me also remind you of the source I provided showing that tens of thousands of Arabs migrated to the Palestine the same time the Jews did. In that context, the land shouldn't belong to them too. It is not the same point I have brought up before, and you're just misunderstanding it.

You took my statement out of context again. Since your logic is that might is right, then the British would jolly well be able to carve up the Palestine as they deemed fit since they conquered Palestine.

conflict is not over until one of the parties surrenders or is annihlated or both parties come to some understanding.

As long as Israel exist, peace in middle east is just a child's dream.

A few thousand guerillas who cower behind refugee camps against Middle East's strongest military force? Let's see. Oh wait. Decades of futile fighting have proven against this.

Pakistan was not systematically colonised by muslims but most of its alredy livin people were muslims.

In answer of which I stated hat as this was paletinian majrity area they had a right to decide who they want to let in and who thay dont want to.

And how come you concluded that i think might is right?

These are just some facts as long as Israel is there, palestinians will never giveup fighting so bye bye peace in middle east.

Not if they get some proper help,

Who knows if ISI starts helping palestinians like it did help afghans against russians.

That is an accepted fact, other wise there would not have had a two state solution.

But I say the argument "our ancestors lived here 3000 years ago so this is our land" is absurd.Palestinians own this land because they were and are living ion this land for last 1300 years.Until last of them gives up or is driven out you can't own that land.France stillexists because they did not quit resisting against nazis.
In Arabic palestine is called falesteen.

That is why some people call Israel the illegitmate son of USA.

It was given over to them unjustly, against the will of locals so locals and their allies had and still have a right to resist and they still are resisting.

I think their should be a dislike button on AG so you could not rant about me giving a one worded comment.

Its hard but not impossible.

In answer of which I stated hat as this was paletinian majrity area they had a right to decide who they want to let in and who thay dont want to.

Not if they get some proper help,
and as there are revolutions going on all over the world who knows who might come in power?
Who knows if ISI starts helping palestinians like it did help afghans against russians.

Link...again. You seem to have a problem with doing so.

Well, you just said that the "we were here first argument is absurd" and then you go and use that argument. I would just like to point out that so far you have been one of the most hypocritical people I have met on these forums.

Standing up for an ally when if they didn't the equivalent of a Ku Klux Klan lynching of a black person would occur, is not shameful. If the UN Security Council had their way, and the US didn't have veto power, Israel would be just destroyed because of the unfair and biased UN. Do you know how much the Arabs control the UN because of their oil? A whole lot.

Some of the locals were Jewish, and they accepted their state. Some were Palestinians, and they didn't. That is the difference here. I don't want to hear any crying for the Pals not having their own state when they had numerous chances to get one. In fact, I wouldn't blame Israel if they just walked away and stayed away from the negotiation table until Abbas is gone, because he has turned down numerous deals where the Israelis made many concessions.

And I think that your comments should be removed for contributing nothing to the conversation when they are in one word format.

Well, considering Israel has one of the most unbeatable armies in the world not only in how technologically advanced but also in Win Percentage of Wars (100%), I wish you good luck in getting a state if you choose military action.

So then by your argument Israel could now go and kick all Arabs out of Israel because, "They have a right to decide"

Listen, even if the ISI got involved, Israel would still win a defensive war and all hopes of a Palestinian State would be crushed. That is what you don't understand; that negotiation is the only way out. And if the "Right of Return" is even mentioned at the table, Israel should just leave for the next 5 years, just to give the Pals a chance to rethink their priorities.

Uh-huh. You forgot my entire post in the previous page.

Palestine was a mandate, which is completely different from a colony.

Have the Mormons cried out for a newer state? No. The thing is, a Mormon is still an American. Religion and nationality are divided most of the time. But for the Israelis and Palestinian Arabs, religion IS part of their nationality. Do you get where I'm coming from?

Actually it was like Some of the locals were jewish and most of them were palestinians.

Many of the figures presented on this page must be incorrect, because they conflict with other reports. Th purpose of showing these data is to examine the discrepancies. It is an abuse of the intent of this essay, and it is intellectually dishonest, to post one table or set of figures from this page in isolation, and to use those numbers to &quotrove" a political point about Jewish or Arab rights in Palestine.