lol, that's just how punisher is. he's very stubborn, ignorant, and spiteful. it's just how he is. if you want to see more of how he posts just go onto this thread.
So because he is such a person, we're going to ignore the meat in his post? Reeks to me of ad hominem and ignorance on the part of the accuser. Yes, Punisher is emotionally charged and gets violent, but his posts do have grains of truths in them. And these cannot be ignored.
I remember on your profile, you saying that you hate it when a person makes an argument when not considering the other side, aren't you being hypocritical right now for arguing this without looking at the side of israel. I mean, I'm looking at the other side right now, and many times when I argued with you before, but you always stay so one-sided and rigid. doesn't this make you the very thing you hate?
Aren't most of the Israeli supporters here also very belligerent and bellicose? It's just a question of maintaining a level of objectivity.
Hold on a second - I'm not sanctioning anything Israel has done in retaliation, which undoubtedly has harmed many a palestinian. But, in history, recent history at least (as in after 1948) the Palestinians have been instigating, bombing, and terrorizing Israeli citizens, particularly around the Gaza strip. Surly that isn't Israel's fault?
It is. I have a whole range of excellent quotes:
''While the Yishuvâs leadership formally accepted the 1947 Partition Resolution, large sections of Israel's society â" including...Ben-Gurion â" were opposed to or extremely unhappy with partition and from early on viewed the war as an ideal opportunity to expand the new state's borders beyond the UN earmarked partition boundaries and at the expense of the Palestinians.''
Israeli historian, Benny Morris, in ''Tikkun'', March/April 1998.
''Before the end of the mandate and, therefore before any possible intervention by Arab states, the Jews, taking advantage of their superior military preparation and organization, had occupiedâ¦most of the Arab cities in Palestine before May 15, 1948. Tiberias was occupied on April 19, 1948, Haifa on April 22, Jaffa on April 28, the Arab quarters in the New City of Jerusalem on April 30, Beisan on May 8, Safad on May 10 and Acre on May 14, 1948â¦In contrast, the Palestine Arabs did not seize any of the territories reserved for the Jewish state under the partition resolution.'
British author, Henry Cattan, 'Palestine, The Arabs and Israel.'''David Ben-Gurion, eminently a realist, recognized its nature. In internal discussion, he noted that 'in our political argument abroad, we minimize Arab opposition to us,' but he urged, âlet us not ignore the truth among ourselves.' The truth was that '
olitically we are the aggressors and they defend themselves⦠The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down, and in their view we want to take away from them their country, while we are still outside'... The revolt was crushed by the British, with considerable brutality.''
Noam Chomsky, ''The Fateful Triangle.''The palestinians, as you obviously know from your spectacular showing of history knowledge, captured an Israeli soldier (Gilad Shallit), who was not even attacking them, and used him to bargain for the release of 477 prisoners, who are known criminals.
Right. Obviously you don't have a proper notion of what a war is. Just because a soldier isn't attacking them, doesn't mean they can't fire on him, or capture him.
And why are you phrasing it such that its the Palestinians' fault that Israel agreed to exchange him in return for criminals? Israel agreed, remember that.
which is why I call you rigid-minded, and stubborn. you think arguing is only won by giving the last word? you are far from wrong.
An argument isn't won by having the last word, but when an argument with reasons is issued, and no counter is given, it shows to a certain extent how the opposing side doesn't know how to reply, which shows inadequacies in their own arguments. Just to remind you, no one has given us a proper argument why Israel SHOULD exist.
And in fact, there exists a whole slew of resources from the Israeli founders themselves, admitting that they illegally took the land of the Palestinians. I would be hard pressed to somehow justify your argument, when even the most ardent pioneering Zionists are unable to do it.
