I'm just saying that if they can hold it with their military then it belongs to them. Until, they decide to leave or another military expels them. Legality doesn't matter much to countries. That's pretty much how countries work. Speaking of it, has there ever been a country that has given back land that wasn't fully legal? I don't have any idea.
Speaking of it, has there ever been a country that has given back land that wasn't fully legal?
Depends on what you term ''fully legal''. Because if we go by your definition, what would returning the Sinai to Egypt and the Golan Heights to Syria count as? I would say that counts, because Israel's occupation of them was never legal.
Depends on what you term ''fully legal''. Because if we go by your definition, what would returning the Sinai to Egypt and the Golan Heights to Syria count as? I would say that counts, because Israel's occupation of them was never legal.
I'm stupid I totally forgot about that but I wasn't aware they gave back the golan heights.
I'm not really for Israel but they took their lands during war and its enemies made peace without agreeing for their land back.
and yet you have to have the last word anyway, look at the threads you have posted on recently, and tell me again that you weren't trying to have the last word.
Punisher, the problem is, i have been following this post for quite a while. But I can not really tell where your argument is...it is sort of all over the place.
Punisher, the problem is, i have been following this post for quite a while. But I can not really tell where your argument is...it is sort of all over the place.
All i am asking you to do is clarify.
I am against israel bcoiz it was created illegally yet i still think a middle way b/w two extremes should be carved.
I remember you saying multiple times that the only way it to end is for one side to be killed.
actualy we all have seen you post things like that when you just joined the forum. taking the middle road was not your option. your option was violense, and not talking.
anyway good to see you think different now and don't jump the "they must die" boat right away.
actualy we all have seen you post things like that when you just joined the forum. taking the middle road was not your option. your option was violense, and not talking.
anyway good to see you think different now and don't jump the "they must die" boat right away.
This problem is far to complex to be solved in one go, both peoples are held hostages by fanatisms.
In Isreal, the more hardline religious are pressuring the state to make sure there is no progress in the peace processus, the give money to armed muslim fanatists to weaken the moderates and theire states, effectivly creating hostile states around them.
Among the palestinians, the Hamas is taking advantage of the lack of progress in the peace processus and sends the children of others to die in suicide bombing.
In israel, arabs are treated second class citizens, and palestinian movements attack innocent targets just for the sake of drawing blood.
There are wrong deeds on both sides, but we must admit that the israelian politicians are acting really disgustingly. I know the french ambassy gave money to build a water reservoir for the palestinian farmers, they just destroyed it. It's only an exemple, but from what I see, Nethanyahu wants to strangle to death the palestinians.
It will only lead to more blood, because when they will have nothing left to loose, the palestinian will just go to fight and be ready to die. I do not doubt the Israel will come on top of this 'war' but the consequencies would be horrible. They already lost a lot of support when they left Libanian fanatsits slaughter refugees, it would be a hundred time worst.
We can only hope that peace will manage to find a way before the Israelian people is forced by its leaders to bear the weight of a genocide.
you have to understand, you have a track record of being one-sided and quite bigoted. I'm going to take that comment with a grain of salt.
We can only hope that peace will manage to find a way before the Israelian people is forced by its leaders to bear the weight of a genocide.
it is true that eventually palestinians will have nothing left to lose, and will just hit as hard as they can before all is said and done. my only concern is what will happen if/when such a thing occurs. israel has more than enough fire power, but palestine won't be restrained and will put every last bit of their rescources into annihilating israel. either way, it will be bloody.
Isn't land grabbing how countries are formed anyways? Sure most of it happened hundreds or thousands of years ago but didn't it always start with someone saying "hmm, I want that land over there" and they either took it by force and held it with their military or failed.
this statement is one of the few that I actually agree with. the thing is, no matter what the UN says, boundaries are drawn by the pen of war.
I am against israel bcoiz it was created illegally
if we follow the law of nature, they were able to hold the land and gain more after multiple wars. I still say they've earned the right to build homes there.
oppose what I say as you will, but Deth666 has a point. paper beats rock, but bullets definitely beat paper.
Hold on a minute, Illegally? America was created illegally...and we didn't even have a vote of nations.
I agree though, that a middle way should be made. I just don't see Israel as in anyway "illegal." (I dare you to argue back...I have quite an argument made up if you would like to hear it.)
I'm not accepting that as a fact, I still don't believe it is one, but if israel should be taken from jews, shouldn't it be given back to the british?
The British governed it as a Mandate from the League of nations, which classified Palestine as a Class A Mandate. That is, a Class A mandate territory was considered advanced enough politically and economically that a provisional independence could be granted, albeit under the administrative control of a member state of the League of Nations â" ''subject to the rendering of administrative advice and assistance by a Mandatory until such time as they are able to stand alone.''
So no, why should it be given back to the British since they never owned it as they did own say, their African colonies?
I remember you saying multiple times that the only way it to end is for one side to be killed.
Given that multiple peace processes have been rejected by both sides for half a century, what are the odds they suddenly patch up in the near future? My best guess would be that Israel increasingly becomes more fragile as the demographic time bomb ticks down and then explodes, which might lead to the Palestinians gaining an upper hand, or more Arab political power in Israel.
it is true that eventually palestinians will have nothing left to lose, and will just hit as hard as they can before all is said and done. my only concern is what will happen if/when such a thing occurs. israel has more than enough fire power, but palestine won't be restrained and will put every last bit of their rescources into annihilating israel. either way, it will be bloody.
They already have nothing to lose, and everything to gain now. It's still a waiting game, seeing that the Jewish population will inevitably shrink in the next few decades. So how will the IDF continue maintaining itself in the end?
this statement is one of the few that I actually agree with. the thing is, no matter what the UN says, boundaries are drawn by the pen of war.
Fourth Geneva Accords. Read them up.
Secondly, the Partition was not based on war, but on mere stealing. Tell me, what right do the Jews have to the land, land that the Palestinians owned? You haven't told me that yet, even after a dozen pages.
if we follow the law of nature, they were able to hold the land and gain more after multiple wars. I still say they've earned the right to build homes there.
Hold on a minute, Illegally? America was created illegally...and we didn't even have a vote of nations.
Fourth Geneva Accords. Read them up. Is it really that hard, given I've mentioned it nearly a dozen times in this thread at least?
