ForumsWEPRYou support Israel? I DO

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bobbyr5
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I just feel the morals and ethics of the middle east aren't right compared to any western country.

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macfan1
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I agree with zakyman on this subject.

PerryKid
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I don't support the fighting on the middle east. The land was promised to the descendants of Abraham, therefore, it is for descendants of Abraham. It is not for the Jewish, it is for the Hebrews. It is not for the Muslims, it is for the Arabs.

Not every Jewish person is a Hebrew, and not every Muslim person is an Arab.

However, it is nearly impossible at this time to know whether or not someone is of Abrahamic Descent

thepunisher93
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I agree with zakyman on this subject.

Based on what reason?
goumas13
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The land was promised to the descendants of Abraham, therefore, it is for descendants of Abraham.

Please do me a favor and don't involve theology. Frankly, what Yahweh promised to Abraham is neither here nor there.
Arguments based on the fallacy of begging the question don't move this or any other discussion forward.
master565
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I found a fun fact. In 1948, 725,000 Palestinians had to leave their homes and leave Israel. Starting in the same year, 1,000,000 Jews had to leave their homes in Arab countries. Currently, there are around 1,573,000 arabs in Israel. Currently, there are around 8,000 Jews living in all Arab countries combined.

thepunisher93
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By 2002 Jews from Arab countries and their descendants constituted almost half of Israel's population

that's the quote from ur link.meaning they found themselves a home.
Factors involved in the flight include the voluntary self-removal of the wealthier classes,[6] the collapse in Palestinian leadership,[7] an unwillingness to live under Jewish control,[8] Jewish military advances, and fears of massacre after Deir Yassin,[9]:239â"240 which caused many to leave out of panic. Later, a series of laws passed by the first Israeli government prevented them from returning to their homes, or claiming their property. They and many of their descendants remain refugees.[10][11] Later in the war, Palestinians were expelled as part of Plan Dalet.[12] The expulsion of the Palestinians has since been described by some historians as ethnic cleansing,[13][14][15] while others dispute this charge.[16][17]

this quote speaks for itself.
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Many historians and socialists reject the idea that the movement to Israel was a forced ''exodus'', but rather a desire to become part of the Israeli state, and not a forced move because of oppression.

Historian Tom Segev stated: ''Deciding to emigrate to Israel was often a very personal decision. It was based on the particular circumstances of the individual's life. They were not all poor, or 'dwellers in dark caves and smoking pits'. Nor were they always subject to persecution, repression or discrimination in their native lands. They emigrated for a variety of reasons, depending on the country, the time, the community, and the person.''


Iraqi-born Shlomo Hillel, also a former speaker of the Knesset, Labor Party, claimed: ''I do not regard the departure of Jews from Arab lands as that of refugees. They came here because they wanted to, as Zionists.''

master565
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that's the quote from ur link.meaning they found themselves a home.


After being forced to leave their old one.

Many historians and socialists reject the idea that the movement to Israel was a forced ''exodus'', but rather a desire to become part of the Israeli state, and not a forced move because of oppression.


I would expect it to be both. Every Jew in the world didn't leave to Israel the second it was created, most of them were content with their homes in whatever countries they lived in.
thepunisher93
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After being forced to leave their old one.

even if it is true, then still they found a home in a place which is a dream of most of the jews.While pals are still refugees.
Let us not forget that backlash against jews came after creation of israel and foeced exodus of pals.
nichodemus
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Let us not forget that backlash against jews came after creation of israel and foeced exodus of pals.


Not to forget that the backlash against the Palestinians, resulting in al-nakba also occurred after the formation of the state of Israel.
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YES I DO!!!! Israel is God's chosen people, and someday they will sign a treaty with the Antichrist. A treaty of &quoteace". This peace will last 7 years, and, after that time is up, it will be overthrown by the Antichrist himself. He will attempt to annahilate Israel, in which he will fail miserably. God will come back while he is attacking, and will deliver his people. Before all this Antichrist stuff happens, all the Christians in the world, living and dead, will be taken up into the clouds to be with God in Heaven for seven years. Want more? Want to challenge my beliefs? Visit my comment box in my profile, Jake297.

thepunisher93
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YES I DO!!!! Israel is God's chosen people, and someday they will sign a treaty with the Antichrist. A treaty of &quoteace". This peace will last 7 years, and, after that time is up, it will be overthrown by the Antichrist himself. He will attempt to annahilate Israel, in which he will fail miserably. God will come back while he is attacking, and will deliver his people. Before all this Antichrist stuff happens, all the Christians in the world, living and dead, will be taken up into the clouds to be with God in Heaven for seven years. Want more? Want to challenge my beliefs? Visit my comment box in my profile, Jake297.

dude this is not a religious discussion, its more of a political discussion. So, if you have any political view about it post it.
nichodemus
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dude this is not a religious discussion, its more of a political discussion. So, if you have any political view about it post it.


Can we ignore this completely asinine argument? Not one of us in this thread who has been discussing seriously, pro, or anti Israel, will take into account such evangelical arguments.
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YES I DO!!!! Israel is God's chosen people, and someday they will sign a treaty with the Antichrist. A treaty of &quoteace". This peace will last 7 years, and, after that time is up, it will be overthrown by the Antichrist himself. He will attempt to annahilate Israel, in which he will fail miserably. God will come back while he is attacking, and will deliver his people. Before all this Antichrist stuff happens, all the Christians in the world, living and dead, will be taken up into the clouds to be with God in Heaven for seven years. Want more? Want to challenge my beliefs? Visit my comment box in my profile, Jake297.


honestly, as an israeli and a jew i feel ashamed that someone would support me or my country because of religious belief.

your reason for support is as logical as racism, phobias and stereotypes (maybe even less logical then stereotypes).

and your opinion is pretty twisted too. how could you support people who in your opinion god doesnt love? you do know that jews arent christians do you?
Jake297
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God does love the Jews. As I said before, they are his chosen people. The only reason there is so much conflict about them is they ARE Gods people. the bluerabbit, you have no reason to be ashamed. You are a Jew, a person chosen of God. Accept Him into your heart, and begin a new life in Him. God saved your people from total destruction scores of times in your history. The Red Sea parting, Jericho falling, are just two examples of that. How can you say God doesn't love you? Picture this frequently occurring battle scene: Thousands of Taliban, Arabs, or whatever attacking you, the Jews. All of them die in the battle that occurs. You lose 10 people, and 20 are wounded. How can you say that God isn't in that and that He doesn't love you?

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