I support Israel. Why is everyone against Israel? Don't you realize that hamas is the one who is attacking Israel and Israel is only defending itself!
A) Israel has no right to take land that didn't belong to the Jews in 1948. B) Seizing land by conquest is illegal. C) The atrocities and oppression carried out by IDF soldiers is largely censored in American media, giving a false sense of Hamas being the sole aggressor.
killersup thinks that israel is like eberybody else.everybody needs a little help now and then.killersup just hates how the US gets into EVERYBODY'S fight .makes no sense to killersup....
Ok then. Assuming that Israel didn't take any land after being invaded in 1948, 1967, 1973, and multiple other times, what should have Israel gotten in return for having their sovereign territory violated? Nothing? I'm curious as to how you would compensate the Israelis for being invaded. Also, the Right of Return is something the Palestinians complain about. What about the Right of Return for those Jews who were kicked out of Arab countries after the Israeli Independence War? Should they get compensation?
killersup just hates how the US gets into EVERYBODY'S fight .makes no sense to killersup....
Well, it's because the US is ****ed if they do, ****ed if they don't. When the big tsunami in Indonesia hit, we were going to give around 30 million dollars in aid. The world called us selfish, pompous brats who didn't care for anyone but ourselves. So then, after tons of international pressure, we give 300 million dollars. When we invade Iraq to kick out Sadaam Hussein, the world cries out how it is none of our business and we should stick to ourselves. So which is it you want? We can either help everyone out regardless whether or not they ask for it, or we will just keep our help, and our foreign aid to ourselves unless we get something in return.
I wasn't even talking about seizing land in wars; I don't even believe Israel has a right to be partitioned from Arab land.
The war of 1973 was caused by Israels blatant hold on to land so I don't think they deserve compensation. 1948? It is disputed who even started the war. As fot compesation I would advocate financial treaties since it would not lead to messy demographic screw ups.
As for the Jewish right to return; don't mess it up and cloud it with the Palestinian right to return. The Arab nations expelled the Jews after the Palestinian exodus, and even so such Jews still have a home in Israel.
As for the Jewish right to return; don't mess it up and cloud it with the Palestinian right to return
Why not? Why should Israel have to offer compensation to the Pals who want it, but then the Jews who were kicked out of Muslim countries don't get any even if they want it? Sounds a little one-sided if you ask me...
I didn't say that they shouldn't offer compensation; dont twist my words again.
When I said they are separate issues:
The Palestinian problem is between the Pals and Isrsel. That should be resolved on its own and should not be mixed wth negotiations between the expelled Jews and Arab states.
The Palestinian problem is between the Pals and Isrsel. That should be resolved on its own and should not be mixed wth negotiations between the expelled Jews and Arab states.
No, because these issues are intertwined. You cannot expect Israel to give the Pals compensation without a guarantee of compensation for the Jews who were kicked out.
They might be linked in a chain of actions and counter actions; but the expelling of the Palestinians subsequently led to the Jewish banishing.
It isn't a directly linked issue because the Jewish expelling was a retaliation; and not a direct issue in the question of Palestinian statehood which is the main sticking point. The Jewish banishment is at best a peripheral issue and not one that in anyway connects to the big picture of Palestinian self determination. Would it have occurred if te Palestinians were not expelled? Probably not.
Would it have occurred if te Palestinians were not expelled? Probably not.
So you're saying that simply because the Pals either were forced out or voluntarily left first, that the Jews shouldn't receive any compensation? cause that is what it sounds like here.
Sigh. I love the way you interpret things when I didn't even mention compensation in that sentence you know? that sentence was a mere speculation that the Jews would not have been expelled if the Pals were not. Furthermore I would say it's a gross mis assertion to claim yhe Palestinians left of their own accord. If a murdering bloodthirsty army of your enemies appears on your horizon; however much you would cover that up with words, leaving was the only option they had for safety, and that is not voluntary.
I love the way you interpret things when I didn't even mention compensation in that sentence you know?
Yes, I know, however in the way that you state the fact, you imply that because it was in retaliation, there should be no compensation. Be careful with the words you choose.
Furthermore I would say it's a gross mis assertion to claim yhe Palestinians left of their own accord
I never said all. Definitely some left because of advancing Arab armies requesting them to leave.
Just because it's powerful doesnt mean it's a good reason to support a nation. The USA is a powerful country but it's sponsorship of state terrorism is appalling.
