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randumbness
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I was thinking about religion the other day and how in the bible it said something about god being all powerful creator of earth . Hypothetically speaking does that make god an alien due to the fact that it states somewhere in the bible that god is not of this world , and it seems to me that if the bible is 100% true hypothetically god could be considered an alien right? Plus another point to make even if its not very relevant is that the bible is considered to be a U.F.O. fanatics holy grail.
I was wondering what other people would think about this.

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314d1
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To remain undetected.

Woooohooooo.


.....Why?

God dwells in Heaven. (Personally, I believe it is in a parallel dimension.) Therefore, God is technically alien to everything outside of Heaven. By going with the dictionary definition, of course.


So according to you, heaven is a physical place that we could get to with the right technology?
Legion1350
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So according to you, heaven is a physical place that we could get to with the right technology?


Yes, Heaven is a physical location. No, I do not believe there will ever be technology to cross into Heaven. I believe there is this universe and Heaven; I don't think there are any other dimensions, either. Just as a fun fact, I believe the area that the saved will go through to reach Heaven is right through the middle of Orion.
314d1
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Yes, Heaven is a physical location. No, I do not believe there will ever be technology to cross into Heaven. I believe there is this universe and Heaven; I don't think there are any other dimensions, either. Just as a fun fact, I believe the area that the saved will go through to reach Heaven is right through the middle of Orion.


And what are you basing this on? It sounds like something you made up after drinking five bottles of vodka.
Legion1350
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Actually, this is the doctrine of Ellen G. White, my religion's prophetess. No, I'm not a drunken idiot.

314d1
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Actually, this is the doctrine of Ellen G. White, my religion's prophetess. No, I'm not a drunken idiot.


How exactly do you travel to Orion?

And if you can travel there to get saved, then won't we be able to go there one day? It is a horrible idea to put your god in a real place, there we can prove he doesn't exist there.
Legion1350
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Let me try to phrase this right. The saved will only travel through Orion at the Second Coming. And no. It's described as an open space. It can only be reached with God's assistance. It's nearly uncountable light years away, anyway.

314d1
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Let me try to phrase this right. The saved will only travel through Orion at the Second Coming. And no. It's described as an open space. It can only be reached with God's assistance. It's nearly uncountable light years away, anyway.


Orion? So basically according to you humans will magically go to empty space in Orion for some reason?

But it is still a physical place, we can prove there is nothing special about it. How about pictures?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f3/Orion_Nebula_-_Hubble_2006_mosaic_18000.jpg/250px-Orion_Nebula_-_Hubble_2006_mosaic_18000.jpg

So what is so special about this space? I could just pick a random nebula to, and say magical pixies are there, floating around, but if you brought me there and show me that no magic pixies are there, I would be forced to be shown wrong. Wouldn't that be the same for you?
Legion1350
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We will travel with Jesus and the angels from Earth through the &quotortal" in to heaven at the second coming. And don't you think God could hide something from view?

Kasic
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The saved will only travel through Orion at the Second Coming.


I'm sorry but...lol. Where did this even come from?

On a side note: Have you ever noticed that religion is also subject to a sort of natural selection? A religion springs up and breaks off into separate branches, aka, diversity. Then the ones that claim specific things (End of the world at this date, something happening at this date, this happens if you do that, etc.) die off because they can be shown to be false, whilst the largest religions are the most vague, personal interpretations that any one statement cannot apply to more than a handful of people.
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And don't you think God could hide something from view?


If it's hidden from any means of detection then how can you possibly claim that such a place exists for sure or at all for that matter? If no one is going by what has been observed then isn't it just all being made up?
Legion1350
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I'm sorry but...lol. Where did this even come from?


Word of my religion's prophetess.

Now, yes, a religion dies if it is proven false. I assure you, even today there are many religions which are completely false. However, I don't even see how Christianity is vague.

If no one is going by what has been observed then isn't it just all being made up?


To counter: Can you prove that God doesn't exist?
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To counter: Can you prove that God doesn't exist?


I'm sorry but that's not a counter, that's a dodge to the question. Since your the one making the claim this thing exists, it's up to you to provide evidence for it. I'm simply rejecting your claim on the grounds that it lacks evidence.
But in more refine terms yes I can disprove the existence of a god depending on how that god is defined.
Legion1350
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Very well. It is a fact that religion required some faith. That's a big center of doctrine; We choose to accept God, we receive the reward. Therefore, you will never find a "magic relic" or anything like that that will absolutely irrefutably prove God.

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Very well. It is a fact that religion required some faith. That's a big center of doctrine; We choose to accept God, we receive the reward. Therefore, you will never find a "magic relic" or anything like that that will absolutely irrefutably prove God.


There in is the problem with your argument, your just accepting a claim even though there is nothing to back that claim up. Since you admittedly say there is nothing to support this claim your making then how is it not just being all made up?
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Word of my religion's prophetess.


And what is your religion specifically? I assume some sort of Christian branch as that's what you mentioned.

However, I don't even see how Christianity is vague.


It doesn't make any strong specific testable claims. Long dead person coming back from the grave, mystical prophecies that can be interpreted 10,000 different ways, magical happenings such as the ten commandments, etc. Whatever IS a specific claim (Such as Noah's Flood, creation of man/women, creation of earth, etc) is claimed to be a metaphor in defense of it by people who accept that evolution/archaeology is correct.

And what Mage said.
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