Well a lot of people have been telling me evolution is real. They give me the most craziest surreal 'facts'. Has anyone discovered any fish with legs? Any humans with gills or fins? If you put all the pieces of a watch into you're pocket and shake it around for trillions of years, will it ever become a watch? Is there but one possibility? Or if you completely dismantle a chicken and a fish, and put it into a box, shaking it around for trillions of years. Will it ever become a fish with wings? or a chicken with fins? :l
ive seen you guys talking about something being perfect. i believe the perfect does not exist.
if something is perfect then it has no flaws and is unable to improof itself. well some cristians say that god is perfect. they also say that humans are a "copy" of god (sorry can't remember the line they use for it right now) if that is true then how come that all humans are not perfect? how come that out immune system fails about 2-3 times a year? how come that we argue about what is best for us all? if god is perfect then why did he create the apple for eve. if god knows evrything why didn't he plant the tree miles away from eve so she would never be able to eat or even find it.
all of this is not perfect. so god also couldn't be able to create a perfect world. if he was then it means that he also made perfect humans. wich is clearly is not the case. or are humans no longer part of this world?
btw young earth creationists usualy do not read anything unless it's religion based. it doesn't matter how much proof we can give them. they just ignore it. end of story.
i was leaving muslims out and didn't say creationists because i dunno if your book also says that man is made in gods image. or if the god is considered perfect.
Can genetic mutations produce positive changes? Can you give any example?
All positive changes have been mutations, so, everything beneficial to us counts into this category.
A mutation isn't necessarily good or bad, it's just an unplanned change. As defined...
1: a significant and basic alteration : change 2: umlaut 3a : a relatively permanent change in hereditary material involving either a physical change in chromosome relations or a biochemical change in the codons that make up genes; also : the process of producing a mutation
i was leaving muslims out and didn't say creationists because i dunno if your book also says that man is made in gods image. or if the god is considered perfect.
Man can't even imagine how God looks like, let stand that we are created to His image, is what we believe. And, we consider that God is Almighty and Perfect.
Easy. Your eyeballs which are looking at the screen now.
Could you explain please?
All positive changes have been mutations, so, everything beneficial to us counts into this category.
So, every change is a mutation?
A mutation isn't necessarily good or bad, it's just an unplanned change. As defined...
As far as I know/knew were mutations neutral, or negative. I think that we could call a positive mutation an advantageous mutation, right? Because an unplanned change can't be positive, right?
No, changes are mostly selected genetic variations, not mutations. A shift in the gene pool if you want.
On the 'god made man in his image' thing.. either that is to be taken literally.. in this case it doesn't mean that we are a perfect copy of him, or else how would you explain males/females? But even then that would mean that god at least looks like a bipedal cripple like we are :P. Or you don't take it literally and then I really don't see what sense it could possibly make.
If you want a much more obvious change that is detectable right away, rather than over thousands of yeas, here you go.
Could you explain please?
First, organisms had no eyes. Eventually, a mutation caused an organism to develop light sensitive cells, but the image they would have received was terrible. As these kept mutating over thousands of years, they got more and more accurate, giving sharper and more colored images, until the point that we have the eyes that we have today.
you want a much more obvious change that is detectable right away, rather than over thousands of yeas, here you go.
Any other example? Because, if such mutations, that are detectable now, are on an higher level, or if this happens many times, then I can be satisfied with mutations. But if such things happen, just a few time, then it's something happening rarely.
Out of that, why did this happen just with this baby, and not by anybody else? There is a group of believers that commit circumcision for 4000 years. Why don't they have any children with a child that already is "circumcised"? Or muslims. We are commiting circumcision for 1400 years. Why is there no muslim child that already is "circumcised"? Is something like that happening rarely?
First, organisms had no eyes. Eventually, a mutation caused an organism to develop light sensitive cells, but the image they would have received was terrible. As these kept mutating over thousands of years, they got more and more accurate, giving sharper and more colored images, until the point that we have the eyes that we have today.
Why did the evolution of the eye take so less time? And how did complex organisms evolve?
