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It is from learning about the Christain faith, going to church, and doing good to other people. Jesus came to Earth by God. Jesus showed how to live a life in God's name with honesty, love, compasion and being kind to everyone no matter what religion or skin colour they are.

if god is so forgiving as the bible says then everyone who believes in him and follows the Ten Commandments will go to heaven. but if you are good and nice but dont believe in him you get sent to hell?

let us think about this^, if someone belives in god and follows the Ten Commandments but is pedophiliac, does he go to heaven or hell if he ***** kids?

Seems to me to point constantly back to the fact that religion is largely obstinately obsolete in a more dynamic and fast changing world where people start to think more for themselves with better education. If religion has to keep back tracking and weasel about to fit into the modern concept, it's sooner or later going to bring the ire and cynicism of people to the fore.

if god is so forgiving as the bible says then everyone who believes in him and follows the Ten Commandments will go to heaven. but if you are good and nice but dont believe in him you get sent to hell?

and not all religions believe that you have to believe in god to go to heaven either.

im saying "not all" and not "many"

i know judaism doesnt and i think hundu doesnt either

Don't take what I said literally. When I said ''don't think there are many'', I meant to dismiss the idea, since I have never heard of being able to go to heaven if you don't believe in God.

As for Hinduism, that differs, since there are different schools of thought. Generally, Hindus believe that once you accept moksha (the liberation from samsara and the concomitant suffering involved in being subject to the cycle of repeated death and reincarnation or rebirth.), you would asecnd to Heaven.

However the idea of moksha is different for different schools.

In the Dvaita and Vishistadvaita schools of Vaishnava traditions, moksha is defined as the loving, eternal union with God (Ishvara) and considered the highest perfection of existence.

Whereas in the Advaita school, moksha is seen as a final release from the illusion of the world when one's worldly conception of self is erased and there takes place a loosening of the shackle of experiential duality, accompanied by the realization of one's own fundamental nature.

hmmm ok. well the only things i know about hinduism are from these forums and im pretty lazy so instead of reading and checking out i just said think XP

judaism is like that though and im pretty sure that if one religion is like that there must be more religions. and actually i found a really interesting site that talks about christianity that way.

the word that is translated to "condemn" is actually more accurate if it trsnalsted to "judge". so that means that many things in the christian belief can actually be very different with those 2 words. for example how if someone believes in jesus he goes streight to heaven instead of being judged and someone who doesnt believe is being judged before it is decided where he is going. (still ufair but much better then the usual beliefs in my opinion). idk if there is any christian belief that takes it that way and believe in this possibility though.

I always looked at it in a "gray" form. As in Heaven and Hell aren't places, but ways of being or feeling. So you can't necessarily go to Heaven or Hell, but you can reach an inner thought that can make you feel like you are there. So what I'm saying is your life can be your Heaven and / or Hell. Heaven is brought through happiness and the extension of goodness, and Hell, the opposite. So instead of looking at Heaven as a goal... I try to stride towards it as a way of being so that one can find true happiness in life and not hope for it in the afterlife. Because you can believe in your hear 100% that Heaven and Hell exist but you won't know for sure until you die, and that's not worth the gamble to me. So I try to make the best of what I got, and try to make it my Heaven.

and for both you and moe. they ARE the same god but christians added more things. its kind of like 2 different people who know person X but one of them knows him as being nice, kind, carefree and the other knows him as being serious, objective and other traits like that.

&quothyiscially" they are the same god but who they are and what they do is different.

I don't. What's there to prove that there exists such places, other than the honey-sweet words of a religious authority, quoting from a book full of contradictions, which claims to present ''evidence'', yet contains none but a jumble of stories that no one has ever authenticated?

How I came to believe in the bible is because it was proven by countless people that it is an accurate history book.

people have used the bible to find lost relics and other things.

I Didn't think anything in the bible was true.

this does not justify the magical aspects.

I get it but we will never be able to prove if the magical aspects were real and true. Because that nobody else can do magic in the whole world. But that is the reason that Jesus is so special.

I get it but we will never be able to prove if the magical aspects were real and true. Because that nobody else can do magic in the whole world. But that is the reason that Jesus is so special.