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jpd4321
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What I mean by gospel is singing church songs in school. I do not think it is right for a music teacher in a school to force kids to sing a gospel song. I think it is uncostitutional. My music teacher is doing this to us this year, and for the last two years on students. I do not think it is right. Church and school are two very different things. The gospel should stay in church and the gospel out of schools.

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Kasic
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I think you're making a way bigger deal out of this then it really is.

I do not think it is right for a music teacher in a school to force kids to sing a gospel song.


Why? What's wrong with it?

I think it is uncostitutional.


How so?

Church and school are two very different things.


Yes, and?

The gospel should stay in church and the gospel out of schools.


It would depend on how it's being taught. I see no problem with teaching songs from the gospel along with other songs. They're apart of the culture for a large part, and a different style of song. Not to mention basically all of the Middle Ages songs/poems were religiously based, so if you're doing anything from that time period it's going to be religious.

Now, I don't think the teacher should force students to sing those songs if it's against the student's own religion, or if it makes them uncomfortable. But they should be able to still look at that style and analyze it.
jpd4321
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Now, I don't think the teacher should force students to sing those songs if it's against the student's own religion, or if it makes them uncomfortable.


It makes almost my whole school uncomfortable having to sing gospel for no apparent reason. My whole school think it is a bunch of crap. No one wants to sing it, and when we do half of us lip sing the whole time. So I do know that the teacher is forcing us students to sing gospel in school.
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What I mean by gospel is singing church songs in school. I do not think it is right for a music teacher in a school to force kids to sing a gospel song. I think it is uncostitutional. My music teacher is doing this to us this year, and for the last two years on students. I do not think it is right. Church and school are two very different things. The gospel should stay in church and the gospel out of schools.


I may or may not disagree. It depends solely on one detail that you left out.

Do you go to a public or private school?
jpd4321
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I go to public school.

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thats like saying you feel uncomfortable learning someone elses history. she is your teacher and your supposed to do as she sais. from the gospel songs i heard they make wonderfull practice for the voice and thats pretty much why she does that. i think your overeacting. but i guess if you and your friends really cant stand it anymore all of you should talk to your teacher.

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Well is she doing it because she wants you to sing from the religion? Or because she wants you to sing songs that happen to be gospel songs? Also, is it all you sing?

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It's hard to avoid songs with religious influence.. I don't even know if we sang any gospel at all though. We just sang a lot of songs, for the song and not for the lyrics (mostly).
I mean, we sang the Beatles song 'Let It Be', some would want to ban that in school ('Mother Mary', anyone? :P), but we still sang it, because it's a nice song and nobody cares for the lyrics or their hidden meaning (even less small kids).

What I didn't like is that religion course (the one where we were introduced to christianity (mainly), not the one where we learn about different religions) was part of our school schedule in a room at school. Church should be doing this completely separated from school.

What I'm saying with that second paragraph is that as long as it's just a song you sing at school, take it easy. If however your teacher would want to introduce you to religion using gospels, that'd be really wrong.

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I look at this and I think, "How many atheists have I heard singing the gopsel." I've seen many non christians singing the gospel. Why? because they like the tone of the song. Often when I hear people singing the gospel I say, "It's great to see another christian expressing his faith." Then the person says, "I'm not a christian, i'm just singing it because it sounds good."

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At least your music teacher can get your class to sing, mine hasn't been able to get a single kid to sing for the past 2 weeks :3 (he's a pretty bad teacher though)

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A teacher cannot preach any type of faith, BUT can "teach" things involving faith. I had to learn about Hindu Gods, Chinese Gods, songs from other religions and so on. I was taught these things to learn about other cultures, therefor it is legal and ok-e-doke. Now in this instance it is also legal, you are not being forced to do anything, you can decide to get a bad grade by not doing it. To refuse to participate in anything remotely religious in the learning process because you don't want to and aren't religious is childish. As long as your teacher is telling you to pray and ect. than grow up and sing that damm gospel.

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The only problem would be if your god requires sole devotion at all times and you're going against that devotion by expressing a different faith, even if it's just for class. If they were doing a song that was basically 'hail satan' in Latin, I'm sure many Christians would refuse.

jpd4321
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My teacher is only doing it for religous purpose not for a cultural purpose.

Kasic
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My teacher is only doing it for religous purpose not for a cultural purpose.


If your teacher is trying to indoctrinate kids, that's a pretty serious thing and you should talk to your principal/parents about it.

As you still haven't given us a good example, could you tell us what an average day in that class would be and some of the things that happen?

Like...Do you sing songs other than from the Gospel? How often do you sing songs from the Gospel. Are you covering a certain time period? Are you discussion anything about the songs? Has your teacher given a reason as to why you're signing them? Does she mention other religious things often/on occasion?
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A teacher cannot preach any type of faith, BUT can "teach" things involving faith. I had to learn about Hindu Gods, Chinese Gods, songs from other religions and so on. I was taught these things to learn about other cultures, therefor it is legal and ok-e-doke. Now in this instance it is also legal, you are not being forced to do anything, you can decide to get a bad grade by not doing it. To refuse to participate in anything remotely religious in the learning process because you don't want to and aren't religious is childish. As long as your teacher is telling you to pray and ect. than grow up and sing that damm gospel.
So... I'm sure, than, if you had to sing a song that said "Allah, oh, you are the best, blah blah blah," you would grow up and sing that **** Gospel?
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Like...Do you sing songs other than from the Gospel? How often do you sing songs from the Gospel. Are you covering a certain time period? Are you discussion anything about the songs? Has your teacher given a reason as to why you're signing them? Does she mention other religious things often/on occasion?


Ok first question. Yes we do, but most of the time she is focused on gospel songs. Only very few are not gospel bull ****.

Second question hardly ever sing other songs than gospel.

Third question yes it does. My whole **** school year.

Forth no we do not discuss the songs.
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