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It implies but doesn't mean he did. It does cat doubt because it doesn't erase the possibility that Zimmerman was not just outside his car when everything occurred but actually away from it.

Just because Martin didn't call, doesnt mean he perpetuated it. It's not logical to just call a cop whenever someone looks at you funny or follows you, that's overreacting. Also, we don't know Trayvons fitness level, but we do know that Zimmerman had been patrolling for years, nabbing people, so that shows a certain level of fitness. Also, since Martin called his girlfriend, that would give Zimmerman hypothetically enough time to catch up, even though Martin called when he probably thought he was a safe distance away, having tan for based on the call time, about a minute.

It implies but doesn't mean he did. It does cat doubt because it doesn't erase the possibility that Zimmerman was not just outside his car when everything occurred but actually away from it.

Just because Martin didn't call, doesnt mean he perpetuated it. It's not logical to just call a cop whenever someone looks at you funny or follows you, that's overreacting

Also, we don't know Trayvons fitness level, but we do know that Zimmerman had been patrolling for years, nabbing people, so that shows a certain level of fitness

Also, since Martin called his girlfriend, that would give Zimmerman hypothetically enough time to catch up, even though Martin called when he probably thought he was a safe distance away, having tan for based on the call time, about a minute.

Just like Zimmerman's account is by all means, a probability out of many.

We don't know whether Martin knew whether Zimmerman was armed or not. He knew that he was following him, but after running for a minute, he probably figures he was safe enough, which is reasonable.

We're merely speculating on fitness level. The facts are, he stoppe after running for a minute, called, which probably let Zimmerman have tine to catch up.

She called at 7 12 which was 3 minutes after Zimmerman called. Their call went dead at 7 16. You are reading it wrong, not me.

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U guys sure do know a lot about the world events and stuff ^^

Just like Zimmerman's account is by all means, a probability out of many.

We don't know whether Martin knew whether Zimmerman was armed or not. He knew that he was following him, but after running for a minute, he probably figures he was safe enough, which is reasonable.

We're merely speculating on fitness level. The facts are, he stoppe after running for a minute, called, which probably let Zimmerman have tine to catch up.

She called at 7 12 which was 3 minutes after Zimmerman called. Their call went dead at 7 16. You are reading it wrong, not me.

Except for you are using T.V detective skills, while he was actually there. "You see, it clearly states that his seat was unbuckled, but you cannot hear the door open. Therefor, aliens took him out"?

Zimmerman claimed he thought Martin was armed in his apology. Running for a minute? Where did you get that? By my calculations, and assuming Martin's girlfriend's testimony is correct, he was running for about three minutes. And then the phone went dead, and apparently she didn't want to call the cops either.

Where you paying attention? He called THEN ran. He made the call before he ran, then his girlfriend, on the phone, told him to run. He was apparently still on the phone when he stopped. He didn't stop to call anyone while he was running.

But Zimmerman didn't leave the car until he stopped calling, which was when Martin started running on foot, at 7:13 pm, a minute AFTER the call was made.

Ambient sounds are heard which may be Zimmerman unbuckling his seat belt and his vehicle's ''open door'' chime sounding. The change in his voice and the sound of wind against his cell phone mic indicate that he has left his vehicle and is now walking. The dispatcher seems to pick up on these changes and sounds concerned when he later asks Zimmerman if he is following Martin.

Furthermore, when the dispatcher asked him if he was following Martin, to which he said yes.

So clearly, he was following him. Are you paying attention?

Zimmerman called at 7 09. 2 minutes in, he said Martin was running, at 7 11. Martin's girlfriend called at 7 12. Clearly, he ran for a minute.

Transcript by William Deutsch, a security expert, for Virginia State Police and the North Carolina Bankers Association. I heard the transcript, and there clearly is the sound of wind and unbuckling.

Are you paying attention? We have had this conversation before. Exact conversation they had:
Dispatcher: Are you following him?
Zimmerman: Yeah.

Dispatcher: Ok, we don't need you to do that.
Zimmerman: Ok.

He then talks about meeting up with a police officer, quite possibly returning to his car. Which would make since since he was planning to meat up by the mailboxes, but scrapped the plan and asked the cop to meat him at his current location, still making it likely he was returning to his car.

If he was already running, then why would she advice him to run again?

or 7:12 pm when Martin's girlfriend called he would start running,

A lot can happen in a minute, and after Martin told her his story she would suggest that he run, which would happen early in the call obviously, so he would start running right when Zimmerman says he is, and runs for three minutes until he is caught.

so he would start running right when Zimmerman says he is, and runs for three minutes until he is caught.

Either way, I have had enough of DAing. Perhaps this provides a new dimension and shifts the blame more towards Martin. Ta.

Transcript by William Deutsch, a security expert, for Virginia State Police and the North Carolina Bankers Association. I heard the transcript, and there clearly is the sound of wind and unbuckling.

Even if he stopped, he clearly was away from his car.

That would go directly against Zimmerman's testimony that he ran, which he did say in his conversation if you're claiming he didn't run until his girlfriend told him to.

He was already running at 7 11, if we are to believe that Zimmerman is right in stating he ran, 2 minutes into the call.

I'm thinking he ran, then his girlfriend called. You're thinking, he ran after his girlfriend called. Zimmerman claimed he was already running at 7 11.

And even if your account is the right one, he ran for three minutes away from the car, so if there was a scuffle, even if we don't know who started it, it was clearly away from the car.

Either way, I have had enough of DAing. Perhaps this provides a new dimension and shifts the blame more towards Martin. Ta.

That would mean the girls testimony would be correct, and he would start running at that time for three minutes. Or are you calling into question an official court document?

No he didn't. He claimed he was running two minutes into the phone call. The official testimony says he started running after his girlfriend called, and of course since the first minute is fifty seconds off, that means two minutes into the video would be about 7:12, when his girlfriend called. They probably exchanged a few words and she would then immediately tell him to run, which he would, two minutes into Zimmerman's phone call. Or, if my theory that they started late in the minute, about 7:12. Which lines up perfectly.

Court document doesn't state that he ran for three minutes. Furthermore, if he did run for three minutes, clearly that was some distance to cover for Zimmerman to get him.

Then we'll go by this. Still doesn't absolve Zimmerman of the blame that Trayvon's supporters are saying; That Zimmerman perpetuated the incident. The new link does however, crack their story up a bit.

Then we'll live it to the courts.

You guys are going about this all wrong. See what ha' happened was...

(in stupid terms) Zimmerman sees a suspicious young male, the most common type of criminal, at a late hour going through his neighborhood. Zimmerman is a bit paranoid, naturally, but harmless overall and means well. Zimmerman proceeds to follow the suspicious young male, Trayvon Martin, for a while. Trayvon catches on, and hustles his *** at a quick pace away from Zimmerman, who he believes is possibly a threat. Zimmerman continues following. This is well established as fact. Now here's where my personal speculation begins: Zimmerman continues following Trayvon, likely on foot. Trayvon is not a white rich boy who has had the world handed to him, and is likely of a mind that Zimmerman intends to do harm. At this point, it is unlikely he sees a gun (as even a psychopath death-seeker would run when they have a gun pointed at them), and he turns to face the assailant. After quick assessment, he determines that fighting would be a much better option than running like a pansy *** *****. He proceeds to begin an assault on Zimmerman, who is just a paranoid but mostly harmless neighborhood watchman. As soon as the assault begins, Zimmerman quickly reaches for his gun (which I assume would be hidden), and beats Trayvon off of him, quickly followed by an instinctive single shot at the first target in his line of site: Trayvon's chest.

Trayvon dies, Zimmerman is beat senseless, and the whole situation turns into a distracting race-baiting cluster**** the likes of which have not been seen in a few years.

Trayvon felt threatened, and attacked. Zimmerman felt even more threatened, and fired. Could he have beaten Trayvon in a fist fight? Possibly, but who would take the risk when they have a gun? Use common sense, people. Trayvon was shot in the chest, implying that he was facing towards Zimmerman, and likely at close range. Zimmerman had facial injuries, as paramedics on the scene had treated him for a pretty vicious but not terribly life threatening assault. If he had not had such injuries, this would be one very open and shut case and he would likely be facing murder charges. Remember: The police know more than you do. They know more than the media knows.

and he would likely be facing murder charges.