http://www.owsexposed.com/ expresses the dark, dark reality behind this, quite frankly, idiots who want their money. They complain about big, evil corporations... on their ipad's and iphones, they whine about big businesses, then use the rest rooms at walmart... There hasn't been protests, these are riots. What's worse is that the police are being demonized for... DOING THEIR JOB and stopping these idiots. We have an American right to protest... we don' have a Right to murder, ****, and destroy.
I couldnt find Nemo's post, was it in another thread?
Right in the first two pages. Blue and huge. Can't miss the whale.
Seems to me that they are two quite distinct issues. The core movement started out to protest against corporatism. Which is all nice and good, given that the reckless numbnuts in the banks played ball with people's money.
The second strand seems to be one where people protest for lack of jobs, yada yada. Which is where the OWS slogan becomes all tangled up.
if the wealthy are taxed more than jobs will be lost
Yup. You don't want to anger the guys who are paying the check. If they ever feel financially threatened, they have the luxury to simply move to another nation with cheaper tax rates. Then, instead of getting a percentage of their massive incomes, the government gets nothing. That means the government needs to either increase taxes greatly or cut programs to cover the loss.
if the wealthy are taxed more than jobs will be lost
They are already making record highs in their income and it hasn't "trickled down" to more jobs. Sorry but such a system has already proven to be a failure.
Yup. You don't want to anger the guys who are paying the check. If they ever feel financially threatened, they have the luxury to simply move to another nation with cheaper tax rates. Then, instead of getting a percentage of their massive incomes, the government gets nothing. That means the government needs to either increase taxes greatly or cut programs to cover the loss.
They already take jobs over seas in the form of basically slave labor.
Right in the first two pages. Blue and huge. Can't miss the whale.
Nemo isnt NoName right? I looked and there is no whale :\\
Seems to me that they are two quite distinct issues. The core movement started out to protest against corporatism. Which is all nice and good, given that the reckless numbnuts in the banks played ball with people's money.
The second strand seems to be one where people protest for lack of jobs, yada yada. Which is where the OWS slogan becomes all tangled up.
I agree and find it a shame that people (as always) jump on a bandwagon to suit their own needs. Human nature perhaps. What I find distressing tho is that while these are two seperate issues, they are both connected and the reason there is unemployment is due to corporations.
Now I rekon this is not why you think I say this. It would make sense for an anti-corporation person, such as myself, to blame a lack of jobs on corporations.
Actually, as most of you know, corporations create jobs.
But. There are too many people and not enough jobs. We literally cannot have everyone working. The monetary system would collapse under the pressure of outgoings and this is the sole reason companies dont take on more employee's that it needs or can pay. That is why corporations go overseas, they can hire more people for cheaper and increase productivity which means more money.
Corporations have huge factories that are commonly run largely by robots which takes away even more jobs. But this is what we expected tho! All those years ago our grandparents were told of a golden time where robots create more time for people to enjoy life.
Well, didnt happen, did it. Instead corporations suck up more resources, more time and more wealth. None of these are infinite (to us right now, at least).
So in a roundabout way I still blame the corporations for many world ills. They have fingers in pies and suck the land dry along with the people. They dont have moral values. They have a buddy system to let each other in, I mean please! G W Bush Jr didnt get high paid jobs because he was a shrewed businessman (he actually proved quite incompetent), he got in because he had friends. Most rich people did NOT get there thru hard work. Look to history and you have no trouble finding a long, long line of money makers and land owners. I respect those that do work hard but I still dont think they should be allowed THAT much money. Its not like they are the only hard worker out there. Noone deserves that much wealth, no matter what.
Actually, as most of you know, corporations create jobs.
Yes but at the same time the buzz word "job creator" being batted around by the GOP tends to not actually refer to this. Hate to use Urban Dictionary for this, but their snarky remark on the definition of "job creator" hits pretty well.
"A creative euphemism used to describe the elite business executive, investment banker or otherwise disgustingly rich person; a type of creature which might possibly spend additional revenue created by tax breaks on slave labor in India or China, but will most likely utilize the money to give other business executives absurdly large bonuses and buy yachts made out of solid gold. Studies have shown that for every $1,000,000 that âjob creatorsâ receive in tax breaks, approximately 75¢ is re-invested into the American economy, usually in the form of a larger than usual tip to a valet driver. Many lower and middle class Americans with weak intellects will tend to throw this term around (usually in all capital letters âdonât tax the JARB CREATORS, itâs CLASS WARFARE derp derp!â) because they have no concept of macroeconomics other than one-line catch-phrases that are fed to them via Fox news. Their blind support of socio-economic and political practices which have led to all-time low tax rates for "job creators", unprecedented deregulation, and the corruption of what was once a great political system are in fact the very cause of companies like ENRON, millions of mortgage foreclosures and the collapse of the American economy."
A creative euphemism used to describe the elite business executive, investment banker or otherwise disgustingly rich person; a type of creature which might possibly spend additional revenue created by tax breaks on slave labor in India or China, but will most likely utilize the money to give other business executives absurdly large bonuses
Out of all of it, this seems to ring horribly true.
The issues that the OWS peepz are confronting are important. Considering most people have no idea how the economy works (including the economists) and have little understanding of the real underhand dealings in the corporate/government world (including ALL of us, but some of us can make very educated guesses) its pretty amazing that so many people the world over are coming together to confront Goliath. Its that storybook. Y'know that famous book, the whatsit-called?
Anyhoo. I personally didnt go out and protest but Im there in spirit. I didnt protest because right now Im kinda pessimistic about the whole human race and I like to think I do my part on the internet (Well, it helps me sleep at night)
I occupied my parent's basement for 18 years because it was unfair that they made more money than me. I got a trust fund out of it. I am the 33.3 percent.
I occupied my parent's basement for 18 years because it was unfair that they made more money than me. I got a trust fund out of it. I am the 33.3 percent.
This seems to be a misunderstanding of the OWS movement. It's not about people just being able to make more money, it's about the corruption in these corporations about how they made that money.
Quite frankly I find it rather sickening to treat people standing up for what they think is right as a bunch of cry babies. This is regardless of whether I agree with them or not, or whether I think it will ultimately be of any use or not.
This seems to be a misunderstanding of the OWS movement. It's not about people just being able to make more money, it's about the corruption in these corporations about how they made that money.
Agreed. Its the biggest misunderstanding that I hear from people, especially people who have never felt poverty's touch. Its very easy to joke when you can get by comfortably.
So you would find it ''disgusting'' that people who feel Golden Dawn protestors are just a mish mash of trash and whining for no reason?
So you would find it ''disgusting'' that people who feel Golden Dawn protestors are just a mish mash of trash and whining for no reason?
Don't know much of anything about them beyond a quick read through on wiki. From that it seems they have gone beyond just protesting. But I don't think I would consider them to be just whining for no reason. They appear to have a reason, now whether that reason is asinine or not is another subject.
Some common sense is called for of course
Yes, I suppose the way I'm seeing it is in essence the difference between saying "you're stupid" and "this thing you believe is stupid".
Yes, I suppose the way I'm seeing it is in essence the difference between saying "you're stupid" and "this thing you believe is stupid".
Im trying to do the latter when I remember but sadly the human race makes this difficult and sometimes I grow tired of explaining everything in minute logical detail so as not to cause offence.
Its nice when people actively try to understand the good in what I say and dont shred my very structure of thought because it is easy to debate against and will therefore make them feel better as a human. I see rather alot of this happening against the OWS movement as well.
Logically, unity causes progress for everyone and division causes progress for the winner. To get involved in any way will help co-operative understanding. Picking apart a protest because someone can doesnt cause learning, its a deflection of responsibility, being the responsibility to create a better future.
