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thepyro222
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http://www.owsexposed.com/ expresses the dark, dark reality behind this, quite frankly, idiots who want their money. They complain about big, evil corporations... on their ipad's and iphones, they whine about big businesses, then use the rest rooms at walmart... There hasn't been protests, these are riots. What's worse is that the police are being demonized for... DOING THEIR JOB and stopping these idiots. We have an American right to protest... we don' have a Right to murder, ****, and destroy.

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danielo
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1) its not what i meant. i meant that this is not the way to share the money. if the state will help the poor to process, it will make a better furute, instead of letting the rich to do it. in my opinion, the state need to soppurt the civiliens. the problme with USA is that, even if not directly, you criticzed communisem, europe and any socialist yelling "soviet russia was bad", laughing at the france and at the germans, at cuba {wher no one die because he cant affored medical treat} and etc. i just heared not long ago, in a tv program on G.W bush, in a election campigen he talked to a women, who said " i work in 3 jobs". than he said: now thats a something uniqe to america!
its making your weakness as a good thing.

2) the taxi thing: they need to know that a taxi driver have a drivine license {and that he didnt broke the law}, that his cab is in a good shape {wont dangare other peoples and the passanger and the driver himself}, that he is no dengerose to socity and etc. not anyone with a taxi can start driving peopels. you have to get a taxi driver license.

3) i understand the collge prices thing, but this is because the goverment dont act good. in Israel, the bread companies cant start to sell there bread in 2000 dollar a piece, just because everyone need it. there are laws against monopoly and against highing prices with no reasons. sure, a shirt can cost as muc has the creator want, but things like education and basic food are under the gov' watch.it help everyone.

4) i know that in USA everything {almost} is cheaper than in Israel, and you can get rich nuch easier {or at least live good} than in Israel. but still, they can protest for better conditions.

5) remmember, the media have an interest to be against the protesters. they are the one who the protesters protest against {even if not directly}.
sure, there are violente peopels, there are raperes who advantage the situation and anarchist who destroy things {using the mess to have fun}, but dont say they all like this.

its clearly that i am social-democratic and you are capitalits, so this is an argue of ideaoligy. what i tried to say in the start of the tread, is that these peopels dot just riot. they dont do problmes, killing police mans and **** like vandals in rome for fun. they do it to try to make a good future for all of you. dont "hate" them.

thepyro222
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If the government didn't get their grubby little hands on our money, we would have a great and well- off economy. NoName took pretty much everything I wanted to say about this, lol. But picture the economy as kind of an ecosystem of sorts. It's natural selection played out on a grander scale. Let's say I have a restaurant. Now the way the economy SHOULD work is if I have a good restaurant with good food for low prices, I will do well. If I put out bad food, I'm going down. (and don't get me started with how many hoops small business owners need to jump through because of the Government's regulations. The economy is self regulating. This is what scares me about the Government is that they're just throwing more and more money at the problem. That's not how the Economy works. The economy needs time to regulate itself. We're not going to have a perfect economy *NOW*. We have to be patient.
With these occupy Wall street idiots. It's not wall street they should be protesting. It's the government. With all of their excess spending like a 13 year old at a candy store, and their ridiculous regulations that makes it impossible to get ahead as a small business. The government needs to change, the people need to change. WE need to get ready to accept the fact that it's going to be tough for a while, but in due time, the economy can self- regulate. When the Government gets their little dirty hands on a problem, they make it worse. I don't care who it is, Republican or Democrat, they still screw us further.

danielo
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peopels are starveing dude. peopels get thrown to the streets. sure you have time, but do they?

danielo
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in Israel it was called "the tent protest", because allot of peopes around Israel protested against the high prices of Apartments and the high rents, and set up tents in the center of all the cities. from jerusalem to tel-aviv {wher the major tant camp was based}, from eylat to Kyriat-shmone.
and as i said, peoples called them hipsters, called them spoiled students from tel-aviv, but the majore protest, who was orginized, was of 1.4 millions around Israel, 600k in tel-aviv, 140k in Jerusaelm, adn thats even all the peoples who soppurt it and didnt came. the diffrunce is that in Israel we Expect from teh gov' to act, while in USA, the 'rich' {i mean the one who can handle themselve, call it middle-class+} dont want the gov to interfere, and the poor dont trust the system anymore. if a guy get broke in USA, what will be his future?

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1) its not what i meant. i meant that this is not the way to share the money. if the state will help the poor to process, it will make a better furute, instead of letting the rich to do it. in my opinion, the state need to soppurt the civiliens.


If the state "helps" the poor by giving them money they didn't work for, they have to take money from the middle class and the rich. The more the government is used to "help" the poor, the more people who remain poor. By allowing people free trade, the only people who remain poor are those who refuse to work.

the problme with USA is that, even if not directly, you criticzed communisem, europe and any socialist yelling "soviet russia was bad", laughing at the france and at the germans, at cuba {wher no one die because he cant affored medical treat} and etc.


http://i47.tinypic.com/2ex4gm8.jpg

In Soviet Russia, there was a constant shortage of resources.

There's an old joke, it goes something like this:

Two women are standing in a bread line in Soviet Russia. One of them says "I hate having to wait 4 hours a day in these **** bread lines!"

The other says "Cheer up comrade, in capitalist America, they don't even have bread lines!"

2) the taxi thing: they need to know that a taxi driver have a drivine license {and that he didnt broke the law}, that his cab is in a good shape {wont dangare other peoples and the passanger and the driver himself}, that he is no dengerose to socity and etc. not anyone with a taxi can start driving peopels. you have to get a taxi driver license.


The taxi drivers all have drivers licenses and there's no issue concerning safety since nobody has had problems with the taxi drivers. The medallions are limited in number, why is that? For years taxi drivers didn't need medallions, now they do? There isn't a problem with taxi service at all! Yet you still buy into the medallion system?

You can't possibly tell me that big businesses are corrupt because they destroy small businesses by providing cheaper and/or better goods and services, then ignore the harm many government laws are causing.

3) i understand the collge prices thing, but this is because the goverment dont act good.


No, you don't understand. I explained it twice.

College isn't just expensive in the US, it's expensive everywhere. When the UK decided that the government can't afford to pay for everyone's college, students flipped out. College prices are an issue, and they're an issue because putting money into a failing system will only allow the system to get worse.

I won't bother explaining it again.

4) i know that in USA everything {almost} is cheaper than in Israel, and you can get rich nuch easier {or at least live good} than in Israel. but still, they can protest for better conditions.


Sure, everyone has a right to free speech, but that doesn't make them right.

its clearly that i am social-democratic and you are capitalits, so this is an argue of ideaoligy. what i tried to say in the start of the tread, is that these peopels dot just riot. they dont do problmes, killing police mans and **** like vandals in rome for fun. they do it to try to make a good future for all of you. dont "hate" them.


There really isn't too much vandalism going on with these protests that I'm aware of. However, I can't support their crimes regardless of their views, especially when their views are flawed. Even if they have good intentions, I can still hate them for trying to force me to abide by their rules.

peopels are starveing dude. peopels get thrown to the streets. sure you have time, but do they?


The only people who starve in America are hose who refuse to work, and even they aren't even starving!
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thepyro222

i totally agree with you these people are not trying to do a peaceful protest theses are rioter that want to spread chaos

AnaLoGMunKy
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The only people who starve in America are those who refuse to work, and even they aren't even starving!


Im sorry but... your kidding here right?
nichodemus
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It's natural selection played out on a grander scale. Let's say I have a restaurant. Now the way the economy SHOULD work is if I have a good restaurant with good food for low prices, I will do well. If I put out bad food, I'm going down. (and don't get me started with how many hoops small business owners need to jump through because of the Government's regulations. The economy is self regulating.


Ever considered that external factors can play a part as well? For example, currency manipulation by other countries which therefore require government intervention? No I guess.


This is what scares me about the Government is that they're just throwing more and more money at the problem. That's not how the Economy works. The economy needs time to regulate itself. We're not going to have a perfect economy *NOW*. We have to be patient.


No. Go and study some basic Keynesian economics before arguing. ''Throwing money'' is just an oafish term to describe fiscal and monetary policy.
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That's not how the Economy works.


actualy it is how the economy works.
thats why there is need to reformulate the economy. and that will take a few decades. untill then "throwing money" is the right way for the economy not to go all the way down.
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thats why there is need to reformulate the economy. and that will take a few decades. untill then "throwing money" is the right way for the economy not to go all the way down.


Technically, the economy can be left to itself and the government can sit around doing nothing. Just, you have to look forward to decades of recession or low growth, unemployment and inflation. Good luck. Free market forces are powerful, but not all powerful.
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technocally alot is possible, take a look at my country the last 3month's.
we have to save about 16billion in the next year to meet whit the european agreements. (we gave greece about 60billion ) we have to show them in june how we are going to do that. or they will give us a fine of 3billion. so therefor our 3 biggest partys have been aguing in secret whit 100% media silence for almost 8 weeks. then they gave the news that they couldn't agree, and the the government fell. then there was stress for like 3 days. and then out of nowhere the resigning financial minister had made a agreement whit 5 party's of the parliament for a budget-plan. solving the problem the 3 bigest patrys had over 8 weeks in just 36 hours.

technocally alot is possible, in time of crisis.
(ofcours this isn't posible in the usa as they have just 2 patys and not a system that would allow such solution.)

toemas
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Yes AnaLoGMunKy

They are not starving they refuse to work and take taxpayer money to feed themselves when they could easily get a job and work for their living.

ps i understand that some people need government aid but the majority could easily get off their government paid sofa and work

nichodemus
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ps i understand that some people need government aid but the majority could easily get off their government paid sofa and work


Try working when there are no jobs.
AnaLoGMunKy
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[quote]ps i understand that some people need government aid but the majority could easily get off their government paid sofa and work


Try working when there are no jobs.
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How can we seriously expect every single able bodied person to work? There simply is not enough jobs for an ever increasing population to give everyone a useful job. At least not in our current monetary system.

And there is also the disabled or mentally ill.

Anyone who ridicules the OWS movement does not understand what many of them are trying to achieve.
nichodemus
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How can we seriously expect every single able bodied person to work? There simply is not enough jobs for an ever increasing population to give everyone a useful job. At least not in our current monetary system.


My reply is to the chap who claimed people can easily find jobs.

Anyone who ridicules the OWS movement does not understand what many of them are trying to achieve.


No. The movement certainly has a core message, but this is increasingly distorted by people who joined it latter and twist the message.
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